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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    If someone is only working 12-15 hours a week at minimum wage then they would never be able to support themselves anyways. So them having that job is not helping them and it's definitely not helping the company since since they are probably nearly worthless as an employee anyways.
    It's part time and they could have 2 or 3 people doing that instead of 1. 2 or 3 people, skilled or unskilled....so nobody gets a living wage job (regarding that position/time slot).

    These days, very very few hourly jobs are 40 hr/week. Most employers keep it below 32 so they dont have to pay the benefits for a 'full time' employee.

    And btw, the skilled employee, even with other skill sets, is probably more valuable and can often do a better job. "Unskilled labor" should not remain unskilled. If they do, there are usually reasons.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    I am largely for expanding the EITC, but I am not sure how we can afford to do so.
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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's part time and they could have 2 or 3 people doing that instead of 1. 2 or 3 people, skilled or unskilled....so nobody gets a living wage job (regarding that position/time slot).

    These days, very very few hourly jobs are 40 hr/week. Most employers keep it below 32 so they dont have to pay the benefits for a 'full time' employee.

    And btw, the skilled employee, even with other skill sets, is probably more valuable and can often do a better job. "Unskilled labor" should not remain unskilled. If they do, there are usually reasons.
    The "skilled" employee in this scenario is also working another full time job so the energy level and stress level is not what is should be not to mention since it is just extra spending money there is no investment in the job. I would much rather hire a full time or full part time (34 hours) than 2 or 3 people at 15 hours. It takes too much time to train and most people flame out anyways and have all sorts of BS to deal with. If someone applies at my store with a second job it's a given that they are pretty much worthless, I haven't seen many people with 2 jobs last more than a month.

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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    The "skilled" employee in this scenario is also working another full time job so the energy level and stress level is not what is should be not to mention since it is just extra spending money there is no investment in the job. I would much rather hire a full time or full part time (34 hours) than 2 or 3 people at 15 hours. It takes too much time to train and most people flame out anyways and have all sorts of BS to deal with. If someone applies at my store with a second job it's a given that they are pretty much worthless, I haven't seen many people with 2 jobs last more than a month.
    The jobs dont take that much 'investment' and working smarter is usually more efficient. And how much someone discloses and how they come across in interview AND how they do jobs is an individual thing. Perhaps you hired poorly.

    Alot of people actually take pride in their work, no matter what it is. Those people tend to get ahead and become 'skilled' workers. Hence, a track record in quality.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The jobs dont take that much 'investment' and working smarter is usually more efficient. And how much someone discloses and how they come across in interview AND how they do jobs is an individual thing. Perhaps you hired poorly.
    I hire what breathes (and can pass a drug test), I've got about 20 full time openings right now. So I've seen it all and the ones with 2nd jobs just never last.

    Alot of people actually take pride in their work, no matter what it is. Those people tend to get ahead and become 'skilled' workers. Hence, a track record in quality.
    If you are getting ahead why would you need the 2nd job any energy should be expended to further your career at your 1st job. Very few have the stamina to work 60 hours a week especially if a chunk of it is manual labor and the ones who do usually won't do it for 7.25 an hour

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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    I hire what breathes (and can pass a drug test), I've got about 20 full time openings right now. So I've seen it all and the ones with 2nd jobs just never last.



    If you are getting ahead why would you need the 2nd job any energy should be expended to further your career at your 1st job. Very few have the stamina to work 60 hours a week especially if a chunk of it is manual labor and the ones who do usually won't do it for 7.25 an hour
    LOL

    Office workers? No energy left for exercise after work? Many do, paid or not

    And it's ALL about motivation. Our winters are dark and wet and I dont have that much to do in those evenings....and I have some very expensive hobbies. I would seriously consider a job at a check out register (and yes I do know how stringent the requirements are for the big chains) or customer service, etc.

    Not only that, I would be very professional and have a high standard of quality for anything I do. And I'm not an exception.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    What is needed is for the government to employ everyone who wants to work who cannot find work. Use the Federal Reserve printing press for something constructive.

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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Allowing lower skilled work to yield higher pay is not a good goal regardless of how that is to be forced by the gov't. The idea is to get folks to be more productive in order to get that bigger paycheck - not to simply make a (part time?) McJob into a lower middle class career.
    the point being that by increasing the return, you encourage more to actually labor. Better EITC than Unemployment, TANF, etc. as a way of life.

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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    I'm more in favor of a tiered minimum wage. Set it at $15. 16 year olds can get 7.50 an hour raising 10% per year of the difference until 25. So you can still get cheap labor but it will truly be unskilled.
    The results of this system will be to disadvantage low-education adults in favor of middle-class white kids.

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    Re: Compromise Proposal on Minimum Wage Hikes

    In theory as it would not change anything other than timing it could make sense.
    But in reality the company is obliged to provide funds with no means of recovering it. And its figured annually as its very possible that the person's income varies at any given point in the year. And there could be multiple employers if the person has a series of seasonal jobs. Now ee need some sort of tracking.
    As the average time in minwage is 2 months is any of this important ?

    All that being said you have to be applauded for out of the box thinking. You should run 4 congress. Obviously smarter than the guys there.

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