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Thread: Traditions

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    Re: Traditions

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    But why shouldn't we switch to driving on the left side of the road, in your opinion?
    Because there's no benefit to it and significant cost to switching. The point of this thread is to address whether the mere fact that switching is happening is an inherent negative. It isn't. Only the benefits and costs are... because any idea, traditional or not, should simply be weighed on its merits.
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    Re: Traditions

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    That we MUST be ruled by a higher power because we are certainly incapable of doing so ourselves.
    To an extent, we aren't. I don't believe in the inherent supremacy of governing by way of presuming humanity to be able to govern itself with reason. The Enlightenment was perhaps 2/3's correct, and 1/3 infatuated with senseless idealism.
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    Re: Traditions

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This is all just basically an excuse for keeping traditions in place. Not all traditions, even useless ones, should go away. But when traditions can be shown to do any sort of harm or treat people differently, then we need to really look at why we currently need or even might need those traditions, not why they came about in the first place. Why they came about is not as important at all as why we might currently need them.
    Why they came about is critical to understanding why we might still need them. You are incorrect about it being used "as an excuse to keep traditions in place". It is an argument that A) tradition has a purpose and B) you should understand what its' purpose was if you want to make the argument that we would be better off without it.

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    Re: Traditions

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Why they came about is critical to understanding why we might still need them. You are incorrect about it being used "as an excuse to keep traditions in place". It is an argument that A) tradition has a purpose and B) you should understand what its' purpose was if you want to make the argument that we would be better off without it.
    If the tradition has a purpose the reasoning would be just as important today as it would have been back then. Many traditions are just benign. They are neutral. Such as there is nothing really bad about decorating a house in traditional colors of a season. Some have become benign so they aren't really needed but also do no harm. Such as a father giving away a daughter or the family giving away the daughter when she marries or a guy asking permission from a girl's father to marry her. These are traditions that were necessary for the social structure that existed in the past but have since become unnecessary given our new culture where the family has little to no say in who anyone marries. This makes the tradition not needed, so it should not be mandatory, and if it fades away completely, there is nothing wrong with that. But there are some traditions that people want to be mandatory that are harmful or simply should not be made mandatory because others want to be able to not participate in them and there is no need for them to do so.
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    Re: Traditions

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Your family's tradition of Jew hatred is imaginary.
    Mine isn't. Should I carry on their tradition?

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    Re: Traditions

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    That would depend upon the tradition in question, and its intrinsic value.
    But then you're judging each tradition on its merits rather than just the fact of its tradition status alone. Which is pretty much the point.

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    Re: Traditions

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I "get" where the OP was going, but I struggle with calling the hatred of a particular group or person/persons as a "tradition".

    If my great grandfather beat his wife, and my grandfather beat his wife, and my father beat his wife, I'm not sure I'd call it a family tradition. I'd call it more a family problem.

    By the way, I voted "No" in the poll.
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    Re: Traditions

    The answer is obvious: Of course our laws should reflect tradition, and do. That's the very thing that often lends them authority and credibility. The whole common law, which we inherited from England and which states have since modified by statutes, reflects traditional, customary views of the fairest way to resolve a given problem. Each judge would look to see how other judges had ruled in similar situations, and be guided by that accumulated wisdom.

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    Re: Traditions

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    But then you're judging each tradition on its merits rather than just the fact of its tradition status alone. Which is pretty much the point.
    Essentially, yes. However, I would argue that traditions are often worth being given the benefit of the doubt, simply because they tend to have an at least somewhat successful track record.

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    Re: Traditions

    Any action, traditional or not should be evaluated objectively on the basis of its actions and results. The preference for either the actions or results will of course have to be subjective.

    I've seen traditions that used to serve a purpose but now are meaningless or even harmful such as throwing rice at a wedding, and I've seen ones that seemed stupid but ended up having a beneficial side effect which could be addressed directly, such as no kissing on the first date (fast relations can more easily fail) and I've seen smart traditions. But in all cases the merit of the specific act is what is important

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