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    Re: Traditions

    Honestly I don't see how any one calling themselves christian could hate jews, are Lord was after all a Jew? It never made sense to me.

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    Re: Traditions

    Jew hating is very complex. Many democrats have a long history of hating both blacks AND Jews, yet for some reason, both blacks and Jews seem to vote dominantly democrat. When democrats suddenly flipped their script to better exploit black votes, they supported legislative changes that while pretending to be 'for' blacks, they have had the ultimate result of completely devastating black families and communities. At the same time, Democrats (and a large number of liberals in general) get absolutely frothy venting their hatred of Jews (oh...wait...sorry...they call it "hating Israel, not Jews") when they have finally had enough of the day to day attacks on Israel by Palestinians while those same liberals and democrats COMPLETELY ignore the daily attacks on Israel by Palestinians. Complicated. Perhaps there is something to the whole love hate thing.

    Or it could just be 'tradition'...

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    Re: Traditions

    I "get" where the OP was going, but I struggle with calling the hatred of a particular group or person/persons as a "tradition".

    If my great grandfather beat his wife, and my grandfather beat his wife, and my father beat his wife, I'm not sure I'd call it a family tradition. I'd call it more a family problem.

    By the way, I voted "No" in the poll.

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    Re: Traditions

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    That would depend upon the tradition in question, and its intrinsic value.
    In other words a good idea is a good idea

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    Re: Traditions

    Someone didn't read "The Lottery".

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    Re: Traditions

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    Someone didn't read "The Lottery".
    I watched the 1996 TV movie. I wouldn't mind reading the story. (Found a copy online I'll look at.)

    Definitely demonstrates the problem with allowing traditions to become law for no other reason than they are traditions or that people believe that is how it should be.

    Traditions are not inherently bad or good, but they can cause people to do good or bad things or become obsessed with maintaining those traditions, even when those traditions harm others or violate other people's rights.
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    Re: Traditions

    Tradition, GK Chesterton pointed out, is merely a form of democracy that does not discount people on account of their having been born earlier than you.

    Since this is actually a broader question about whether we should let tradition guide us, rather than a narrow question on antisemitism, I would cite him here:

    In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, “I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.” To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: “If you don’t see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.
    Simply put, unless those arguing for stripping away tradition can articulate (accurately, not hyperbolically) why we evolved that social custom to fit a need in the first place, they should not be trusted when they present a cost-benefit analysis of their proposals.

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    Re: Traditions

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Tradition, GK Chesterton pointed out, is merely a form of democracy that does not discount people on account of their having been born earlier than you.

    Since this is actually a broader question about whether we should let tradition guide us, rather than a narrow question on antisemitism, I would cite him here:

    Simply put, unless those arguing for stripping away tradition can articulate (accurately, not hyperbolically) why we evolved that social custom to fit a need in the first place, they should not be trusted when they present a cost-benefit analysis of their proposals.
    This is all just basically an excuse for keeping traditions in place. Not all traditions, even useless ones, should go away. But when traditions can be shown to do any sort of harm or treat people differently, then we need to really look at why we currently need or even might need those traditions, not why they came about in the first place. Why they came about is not as important at all as why we might currently need them.
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    Re: Traditions

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    So if a specific family has a tradition of hating Jews, then there tradition is wrong and should be abandoned.
    Okay, so if a specific family has a tradition of hating Gays, then there tradition is wrong and should be abandoned. Agree or disagree?

    Jew hatred (or hatred of any group of people) is of course contrary to the Christian tradition which helped build our society.
    Hahahahahahaha. That's hilarious. Hilariously wrong. You do realize that the Catholics enslaved thousands of orthodox Christians in the crusades right? And the Pope preached hatred of Muslims? Christians themselves butchered each other because of different beliefs. Slavery itself built much of America and that was hardly what you claim.
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    Re: Traditions

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Like anything else, it depends on the tradition or practice. In many ways, however, I fundamentally agree with the idea that public policy should reflect American principles and traditions. This allows me, however, to engage in a debate as to which principle and tradition should be valued over another in matters of policy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    That would depend upon the tradition in question, and its intrinsic value.
    Sounds like traditions ought to be weighed on their merits and their status as tradition doesn't matter. Kinda like any other idea, new or old. Funny, that.
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