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    22 9.28%
  • 20.01% - 40%

    19 8.02%
  • 40.01% - 60%

    21 8.86%
  • 60.01% - 80%

    31 13.08%
  • 80.01% - 100%

    75 31.65%
  • I don't know the percentage,but think/know man-made climate change is happening

    48 20.25%
  • I believe/know climate change is a 100% natural.

    10 4.22%
  • Not sure what kind of climate change is going on.

    6 2.53%
  • I do not believe in natural or man-made climate change.Climate never changes.

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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    The lemming approach?? You can do better than that. Take the time to look at the basics of this issue. Not the computer models or projections, but the foundation of this science. If the results don't line up with that foundation, then it doesn't matter if every scientist on the planet agrees, they are still wrong and we should asking why they failed to produce results that meet the bare minimum requirements of fitting the essential foundation of this science.
    What?

    There is a foundation?

    Correlation = causation is a foundation?

    And here I though it was a branch of political science.

    Wow...

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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    The lemming approach.

    If thats what you call accepting the considered opinion and substantial expertise of thousands of scientists....

    I guess I take the lemming approach every time I get in a plane.... because Bernoulli might not have been correct.

    As far as the results lining up with the foundation, look around and figure out why the earth is currently experiencing its warmest decade ever recorded, and this was ACCURATELY predicted by scientists studying this issue decades ago.

    Lemming approach. Please.
    The thing is that the Bernoulli Effect lines up with known science. If someone told you that the Bernoulli Effect was caused by more air pressure on the longer surface of an airfoil, instead of less, you shouldn't believe that person no matter how many other people agree with him or how many letters are behind his name. The SCIENCE is what matters, not the scientists.

    As far as the warmest decade ever recorded is concerned, the statement is utterly meaningless, since the scale of time we should be concerned with is far greater than the scale of time where we've measured temps. No, tree ring data doesn't work, nor do ice core samples.
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    As far as the warmest decade ever recorded is concerned, the statement is utterly meaningless, since the scale of time we should be concerned with is far greater than the scale of time where we've measured temps. No, tree ring data doesn't work, nor do ice core samples.
    Ice core samples are probably the most reliable of proxies, and there is a great deal of room for error in them!

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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    The thing is that the Bernoulli Effect lines up with known science. If someone told you that the Bernoulli Effect was caused by more air pressure on the longer surface of an airfoil, instead of less, you shouldn't believe that person no matter how many other people agree with him or how many letters are behind his name. The SCIENCE is what matters, not the scientists.

    As far as the warmest decade ever recorded is concerned, the statement is utterly meaningless, since the scale of time we should be concerned with is far greater than the scale of time where we've measured temps. No, tree ring data doesn't work, nor do ice core samples.
    And so you look to non-scientists to explain the science to you.

    Makes sense.

    And proxy data isn't good science because...you don't think so, yet it seems good enough to get prominent publication in PNAS, (or Nature or Science)which rejects 99% of papers.
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    00.01% - 20% (please specify the percentage)
    20.01% - 40% (please specify the percentage)
    40.01% - 60% (please specify the percentage)
    60.01% - 80% (please specify the percentage)
    80.01% - 100% (please specify the percentage)
    I don't know the percentage,but think/know man-made climate change is happening
    I believe/know climate change is a 100% natural.
    Not sure what kind of climate change is going on.
    I do not believe in natural or man-made climate change.Climate never changes.


    A poster suggested something like this in another thread.I am sure those who think or know climate change is real have good idea of how much climate change is caused by people.
    You can't have 7 billion people and counting on Earth and it not have some affect on environment, even local climate, any more than you could have 7 billion elephants or 7 billion whales or 7 billion pigeons on Earth without it having some affect. And anybody with any common sense and even a smidgeon of scientific education knows that climate has always been constantly changing and continues to constantly change on Planet Earth.

    The math varies depending on who is doing the calculations, but most mathematicians agree that if the entire lifespan of the Earth was condensed into one 24-hour day, we humans would have been around for less than one second. We have accomplished a lot in that less than one second.

    But we are multiplying at an alarming rate:
    It is estimated that the world human population reached one billion for the first time in 1804, two billion in 1927, three billion in 1960 and we added another four billion in the next 50 years. Has the environmental impact affected the global planet? Perhaps, but it has been pretty negligible when you look at normal climate fluctuations that have been going on since the Earth first acquired an atmosphere.

    In my opinion, the whole idea of controlling the climate is stupidity in its finest forms. Even if we managed to do it, we would almost certainly screw up more than we could ever accomplish on the positive side. Nature has managed to function quite nicely without us and will almost certainly do so in spite of us if we exercise just a little common sense.

    I support devoting our collective effort to finding ways to adjust to and adapt to an inevitably changing climate and helping people to prosper so that they will have the wherewithal and incentive to care about the environment as only prosperous people do. It is the rich who are the most concerned for clean air, clean water, clean soil, aesthetic beauty, and the creatures we share the planet with.

    Poor people care about keeping a roof over their head and enough food to live on. Whatever we do should be toward giving people opportunity, incentive, and ability to prosper as our first priority. Concern for the planet will then naturally follow.
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    From what I understand there has been an 18 year pause in global warming. The so called scientists have come up with dozens of excuses. Many have been debunked. If they can't figure out why the pause then they sure as heck can't know the cause with any certainty. Which leads me to believe the whole global warming hysteria is the only thing that is truly made by man. What continues to become clearer to me is the man-made hype group tend to support giving governments around the globe more power to tax for revenue while placing more regulations on their people. It's like giving them an excuse to tax the air you need to breathe. This also allows governments to pick the winners and losers in a global economy with an elite group of wealthy people an opportunity to take advantage of the situation for profit.

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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    'So-called scientists'. That says it all. LOL.
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    And so you look to non-scientists to explain the science to you.

    Makes sense.

    And proxy data isn't good science because...you don't think so, yet it seems good enough to get prominent publication in PNAS, (or Nature or Science)which rejects 99% of papers.
    Proxies are a tool - a poor substitute for directly procured measurements and observations.

    As proxies go, Bristle Cone Pines are about as bad a proxy as you can get... even Mann and the warmists admitted this - that is until Mann's infamous Hockey Stick was hailed as the smoking gun and holy grail - holy writ to be worshipped and defended to the death.

    Of course Mann's data is complete nonsense, and has been proven to be so - but far too many "scientists" had already climbed on board without due consideration, and were forced to defend the indefensible. That is not science, that is cronyism, pride, defending reputations, fraud, and just plain lousy science.

    True science is open for all to try to falsify. Skeptics (skepticism being the essential ingredient in scientific inquiry) come along and say okay - give us your data, and we'll try to falsify it - if it holds up, fine; if not, it is out.

    What do Mann and the fraudsters do?? They try to hide behind legalism, they delete data, engage in witchhunts and character assassination, rig the peer review process, on and on... we have irrefutable evidence that this is exactly what they did.

    If their science was accurate, it would stand up to attempts to falisify it - but of course they know, and anyone who has any scientific training knows, the data they are presenting is fabricated junk.

    That said - there are $Billions and $Billions to be had in the name of defending the orthodoxy. Anyone who doesn't play along is labeled a heretic, ostracized, and has their funding cut off. It pays to play along - whereas on the other hand, not playing along can cost a scientist dearly - and not just funding, it can cost them their job.

    What the warmists/alarmists are doing is despicable.

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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    Proxies are a tool - a poor substitute for directly procured measurements and observations.

    As proxies go, Bristle Cone Pines are about as bad a proxy as you can get... even Mann and the warmists admitted this - that is until Mann's infamous Hockey Stick was hailed as the smoking gun and holy grail - holy writ to be worshipped and defended to the death.

    Of course Mann's data is complete nonsense, and has been proven to be so - but far too many "scientists" had already climbed on board without due consideration, and were forced to defend the indefensible. That is not science, that is cronyism, pride, defending reputations, fraud, and just plain lousy science.

    True science is open for all to try to falsify. Skeptics (skepticism being the essential ingredient in scientific inquiry) come along and say okay - give us your data, and we'll try to falsify it - if it holds up, fine; if not, it is out.

    What do Mann and the fraudsters do?? They try to hide behind legalism, they delete data, engage in witchhunts and character assassination, rig the peer review process, on and on... we have irrefutable evidence that this is exactly what they did.

    If their science was accurate, it would stand up to attempts to falisify it - but of course they know, and anyone who has any scientific training knows, the data they are presenting is fabricated junk.

    What the warmists/alarmists are doing is despicable.
    That's funny. Because the actual scientists- you know the guys 'who have scientific training' have repeatedly confirmed Mann's groundbreaking and seminal work.

    Here, educate yourself if you dare:
    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...-hockey-stick/
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    That's funny. Because the actual scientists- you know the guys 'who have scientific training' have repeatedly confirmed Mann's groundbreaking and seminal work.

    Here, educate yourself if you dare:
    Most Comprehensive Paleoclimate Reconstruction Confirms Hockey Stick | ThinkProgress
    It's been falsified - end of story.

    Of course those whose reputations are harmed by the truth would circle the wagons. They are frauds - all of them.

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