View Poll Results: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

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    22 9.28%
  • 20.01% - 40%

    19 8.02%
  • 40.01% - 60%

    21 8.86%
  • 60.01% - 80%

    31 13.08%
  • 80.01% - 100%

    75 31.65%
  • I don't know the percentage,but think/know man-made climate change is happening

    48 20.25%
  • I believe/know climate change is a 100% natural.

    10 4.22%
  • Not sure what kind of climate change is going on.

    6 2.53%
  • I do not believe in natural or man-made climate change.Climate never changes.

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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The calculations are complete horse**** because the site totally ignores natural absorption of CO2 when it comes up with the "natural emissions" numbers.
    Thanks, I'm not entirely well versed in the subject honestly. I tried my best to critique the research especially in reference 5). The study uses almost entirely secondary documents.
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Would you please so kind as to point it out???
    The site you linked makes a comparison of human-emitted CO2 to naturally-emitted CO2. Trouble is, they ignored naturally-absorbed CO2. It's ignoring half the carbon cycle. While natures gross emissions are quite high, the net emissions are near zero. (In fact, you might even say it's a negative number because nature absorbs a lot of mankind's CO2)

    This error is similar to looking at Apple, Inc's revenue but ignoring all of its expenditures. The math is correct, but the number is ultimately meaningless.

    They were hoping nobody would check their numbers.
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You have to specify a timeframe.
    During a Solar minimum cycle, less sunspot activity and a documented cycle, the Earth's temperature would naturally cool some measurable amount. I think 9 of the last 10 years are the hottest in documented records. Much of this hottest years on record occurred during the recent Solar Minumum. My conclusion is that the man made contribution to Global Warming must be very high to overcome this cycle.
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    "During 2008-2009 NASA scientists noted that the Sun is undergoing a "deep solar minimum," stating: "There were no sunspots observed on 266 of [2008's] 366 days (73%). Prompted by these numbers, some observers suggested that the solar cycle had hit bottom in 2008. Sunspot counts for 2009 dropped even lower. As of September 14, 2009 there were no sunspots on 206 of the year's 257 days (80%). It adds up to one inescapable conclusion: "We're experiencing a very deep solar minimum," says solar physicist Dean Pesnell of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "This is the quietest sun we've seen in almost a century," agrees sunspot expert David Hathaway of the National Space Science and Technology Center NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center.[7] It's a natural part of the sunspot cycle, discovered by German astronomer Heinrich Schwabe in the mid-19th century.[7] A "clockwork pattern" that has held true for more than 200 years"

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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I suppose so... but whats the point? You think the proof that no one can find this on a simple internet search totally dismisses the massive amount of scientiific research that has gone on in this area?

    And I beleive the info you are looking for is in the IPCC. I'd find it, but I dont really feel like doing your homework.
    I'VE done my homework. What's your excuse?? I'm hoping that you want to know the truth, so why haven't you chased down this one basic piece of information?? If GW/CC is so important to you, why don't you get all the education you possibly can on the subject?? That's what I did. I got educated WITHOUT making assumptions. I opened my mind to the possibility that I could have been wrong and truly studied this issue. Do you think that the scientists that are doing this research are above falsifying results to keep the research money flowing?? If you are, then you need to do a little research into how much falsification of results goes on for this very reason. There are a lot of climate researchers who disagree with the "accepted" scenario, so this isn't universally accepted, which means that either there's some bad research going on or we don't have all the facts together in one place.
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The site you linked makes a comparison of human-emitted CO2 to naturally-emitted CO2. Trouble is, they ignored naturally-absorbed CO2. It's ignoring half the carbon cycle. While natures gross emissions are quite high, the net emissions are near zero. (In fact, you might even say it's a negative number because nature absorbs a lot of mankind's CO2)

    This error is similar to looking at Apple, Inc's revenue but ignoring all of its expenditures. The math is correct, but the number is ultimately meaningless.

    They were hoping nobody would check their numbers.
    The point is that you can take CO2 out of the equation altogether and you couldn't accurately measure the impact on the greenhouse effect, since it's less than the annual statistical variation. You're trying to tell a guy pouring a cup of stale pop into a flooding river that he's making the problem worse.
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    The point is that you can take CO2 out of the equation altogether and you couldn't accurately measure the impact on the greenhouse effect, since it's less than the annual statistical variation. You're trying to tell a guy pouring a cup of stale pop into a flooding river that he's making the problem worse.
    If that was the point, that wasn't a good link to post. How much has water vapor varied over the last 50 years? What is this annual variation?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    I'VE done my homework. What's your excuse?? I'm hoping that you want to know the truth, so why haven't you chased down this one basic piece of information?? If GW/CC is so important to you, why don't you get all the education you possibly can on the subject?? That's what I did. I got educated WITHOUT making assumptions. I opened my mind to the possibility that I could have been wrong and truly studied this issue. Do you think that the scientists that are doing this research are above falsifying results to keep the research money flowing?? If you are, then you need to do a little research into how much falsification of results goes on for this very reason. There are a lot of climate researchers who disagree with the "accepted" scenario, so this isn't universally accepted, which means that either there's some bad research going on or we don't have all the facts together in one place.
    There isn't a lot of climate researchers that disagree with the 'accepted' scenario. It's a handful. And that's normal in science.

    http://m.pnas.org/content/107/27/12107.abstract

    And I believe I would be considered fairly educated in the realm of science, although climate science is not my area, and like most non-armchair scientists, I generally defer my opinion to experts, especially ones that have done a tremendous amount of work and gained massive consensus.
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If that was the point, that wasn't a good link to post. How much has water vapor varied over the last 50 years? What is this annual variation?
    Take a look at every graph that shows the impact of anthropogenic CO2, the annual variation they show is way more than the .117% that anthropogenic CO2 produces. Take some time to go through the links on that site and the references they use. Again, I'll admit that some of the articles it links to have an agenda, but they also use good foundational science to back up what they are saying. Take the time to get as close as possible to original source data and see if what it shows lines up with what you're being told. This isn't something that anyone should be simply accepting at face value from EITHER side. It's something that we should be looking into closely and seeing if it's correct. There are enough good researchers out there who question this theory to demand that the evidence be examined more closely and by people without a vested financial interest in one specific result (like researchers who are being paid to study climate losing their grant money if it's shown that man-made influences are lost in the natural variations and are insignificant).
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    There isn't a lot of climate researchers that disagree with the 'accepted' scenario. It's a handful. And that's normal in science.

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    And I believe I would be considered fairly educated in the realm of science, although climate science is not my area, and like most non-armchair scientists, I generally defer my opinion to experts, especially ones that have done a tremendous amount of work and gained massive consensus.
    The lemming approach?? You can do better than that. Take the time to look at the basics of this issue. Not the computer models or projections, but the foundation of this science. If the results don't line up with that foundation, then it doesn't matter if every scientist on the planet agrees, they are still wrong and we should asking why they failed to produce results that meet the bare minimum requirements of fitting the essential foundation of this science.
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    The lemming approach?? You can do better than that. Take the time to look at the basics of this issue. Not the computer models or projections, but the foundation of this science. If the results don't line up with that foundation, then it doesn't matter if every scientist on the planet agrees, they are still wrong and we should asking why they failed to produce results that meet the bare minimum requirements of fitting the essential foundation of this science.
    The lemming approach.

    If thats what you call accepting the considered opinion and substantial expertise of thousands of scientists....

    I guess I take the lemming approach every time I get in a plane.... because Bernoulli might not have been correct.

    As far as the results lining up with the foundation, look around and figure out why the earth is currently experiencing its warmest decade ever recorded, and this was ACCURATELY predicted by scientists studying this issue decades ago.

    Lemming approach. Please.
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