View Poll Results: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

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    22 9.28%
  • 20.01% - 40%

    19 8.02%
  • 40.01% - 60%

    21 8.86%
  • 60.01% - 80%

    31 13.08%
  • 80.01% - 100%

    75 31.65%
  • I don't know the percentage,but think/know man-made climate change is happening

    48 20.25%
  • I believe/know climate change is a 100% natural.

    10 4.22%
  • Not sure what kind of climate change is going on.

    6 2.53%
  • I do not believe in natural or man-made climate change.Climate never changes.

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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Yet the people who are telling them they are wrong are.... people without degrees.

    You really dont think that the scientists in this area are quite familiar with the foundational science? You think you have some brilliant insight into this that the guys with PhDs in Physics just happened to overlook? You think not one scientist who sees this 'wrong' foundational science doesnt know he can get an endowed professorship with unlimited funding by proving the entire theory of AGW wrong (but they just havent gotten around to it because... what? )

    Critical thinking IS a good thing. Try it sometime.
    I don't need a degree to know when someone with a doctorate in mathematics makes an addition error, I just need to understand the fundamentals of math.
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    References don't mean a thing if it's not peer reviewed. Countless other recent studies coming from those organizations are contradictory to your research. Those studies are also peer-reviewed.
    Peer review doesn't mean anything either when it's the closed pal review process.

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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    References don't mean a thing if it's not peer reviewed. Countless other recent studies coming from those organizations are contradictory to your research. Those studies are also peer-reviewed.
    So can you show me study that shows the total greenhouse effect of all anthropogenic GGs? No projections or computer models, just a simple analysis of the total impact of all anthropogenic GGs - INCLUDING H2O!!
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    I don't need a degree to know when someone with a doctorate in mathematics makes an addition error, I just need to understand the fundamentals of math.
    Ah. So you thnk you found the error, eh?

    Would you find it extraordinarily odd that you would see the addition error by a PhD in Mathematics, and every single other PhD in Math not only does not correct the error, but uses that error in their own research? That would be so odd, in fact, that a rational person would reconsider his claim that it was an 'addition error' (especially if it was within a very complex paper) and would, quite likely, be able to make a stunning career for himself by pointing out that obvious addition error to all the other scientists, who would obviously recongnize the error.

    But thats not being done in climate science. What you find is guys on blogs whining about addition errors and getting creationist type scientists to agree with them, but never actually entering into the public scientific discourse. And some people just eat it up and pretend that its a real critique... such as yourself.
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Peer review doesn't mean anything either when it's the closed pal review process.
    Still better than a random study done on the internet.
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Still better than a random study done on the internet.
    So show us where it's wrong, instead of just spitballing...
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    So can you show me study that shows the total greenhouse effect of all anthropogenic GGs? No projections or computer models, just a simple analysis of the total impact of all anthropogenic GGs - INCLUDING H2O!!
    This is the best I could find for what you wanted on short notice.

    http://http://www.world-nuclear.org/...--the-science/

    Although water vapour has a major influence on absorbing long-wave thermal radiation, its GWP is not calculated since its concentration in the atmosphere varies widely and mainly depends on air temperature. Also its residence time is only about nine days, compared with years for CO2 and methane. It is classed a positive feedback, not a forcing agent for the troposphere. In the stratosphere, water vapour from methane oxidation and possibly from aircraft may be a forcing agent, but the former is included in methane’s GWP.
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    So show us where it's wrong, instead of just spitballing...
    That's all these warmers have other than quoting scripture.

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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    So you didn't check the references. NOAA, NASA, etc. Critical thinking is GOOD thing, blind acceptance without reason is a BAD thing. What's presented here is the foundational science that should be behind every bit of research being done. If it doesn't line up with these numbers, then the research should be considered to be flawed. It's like if you did study on the speed of falling objects in a vacuum and the results didn't line up with the basic formula for calculating acceleration. If you saw a study like, the critical thinker would question the study, not the universal constant. But with climate research, it's the foundational science that's getting ignored and people are simply accepting it blindly with no critical thinking, no objective analysis and no willingness to tell people that in spite of their degrees, they are wrong.
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    Re: What percentage of climate change do you believe or know is man made?

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    This is the best I could find for what you wanted on short notice.

    http://http://www.world-nuclear.org/...--the-science/
    "Major influence?" That's like saying that salt has a major influence on the saltiness of food. Water vapor is the biggest GG there is by orders of magnitude. Put it on a Pareto chart and every other GG falls into the "insignificant" category. ANY study which exclude water vapor for ANY reason should be questioned strongly as to it's objectivity and accuracy.

    The source you provided excludes H2O, uses projections and computer modeling and is NOT what I asked for. Just show me a study that shows the impact of all anthropogenic GGs (INCLUDING H2O). Shouldn't this be the starting point of EVERY study?? If a study doesn't have references to this information and use them frequently, it should be questioned strongly. This is where ALL GG research should be starting, shouldn't it??


    BTW - Your link = "Page cannot be found." It's got an extra "http//" in it.
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