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Should the Kurds be Granted an Independent State?

Should the Kurds be Granted an Independent State?

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    Votes: 14 100.0%

  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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  • Total voters
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Many Kurds for a very long time have been fighting for a independent Kurdistan. Now there may be some controversy with the exact borders of a "Kurdistan", do you think in general the Kurds should have a state of their own?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Many Kurds for a very long time have been fighting for a independent Kurdistan. Now there may be some controversy with the exact borders of a "Kurdistan", do you think in general the Kurds should have a state of their own?
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Probably so; I believe I've read somewhere that Erdogan is now supportive of that situation.

Thom Paine
 
100% yes. It should have happened immediately when we took down Iraq.
 
If the majority of a region desires to be an independent nation, no one has the right to hinder their independence, as a general principle. Kurdistan is no exception.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Many Kurds for a very long time have been fighting for a independent Kurdistan. Now there may be some controversy with the exact borders of a "Kurdistan", do you think in general the Kurds should have a state of their own?
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I've traveled all over Kurdistan and remain a strenuous supporter of the Kurdish people and fully endorse their aspirations for statehood.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
If the majority of a region desires to be an independent nation, no one has the right to hinder their independence, as a general principle. Kurdistan is no exception.
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I wouldn't go that for, but in this case I think the arguments for independence have enormous merit. It just needs to be conducted very carefully.
 
Sherman123 said:
I wouldn't go that for, but in this case I think the arguments for independence have enormous merit. It just needs to be conducted very carefully.
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There are a couple of exceptions (the confederacy being perhaps the most obvious), but under what circumstances do you believe a region that desires it should be denied independence?
 
Jack Hays said:
Absolutely yes.
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Agreed. And they should be allowed to ally with Russia and Iran and Syria, because Iraq and Turkey both tried to stab them in the back. They could do an oil pipeline through Syria and bypass Turkey. Of course, these are the things that would be good for Kurds that the USA Big Energy/petrodollar lobby will not allow to happen.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
There are a couple of exceptions (the confederacy being perhaps the most obvious), but under what circumstances do you believe a region that desires it should be denied independence?
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I think it depends on what they are seceding/seeking independence over. I don't think the majority has the right to bring the minority into an autocracy for example, the Confederacy is also a good example of secession for a terrible cause, sometimes simple utilitarian policy considerations need to be considered. Also we wouldn't set the precedent of any municipality or county that wanted to to secede to do so it would become anarchic. I'm sure there are other reasons as well.
 
DaveFagan said:
Agreed. And they should be allowed to ally with Russia and Iran and Syria, because Iraq and Turkey both tried to stab them in the back. They could do an oil pipeline through Syria and bypass Turkey. Of course, these are the things that would be good for Kurds that the USA Big Energy/petrodollar lobby will not allow to happen.
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The Kurds (especially Erbil) desire an alliance with Washington thankfully. =)
 
I voted yes, but who's going to grant it to them? We don't have the authority to do it.
 
I think people in northern Iraq should be allowed to hunt Muslims for sport without repercussion.
 
DaveFagan said:
Agreed. And they should be allowed to ally with Russia and Iran and Syria, because Iraq and Turkey both tried to stab them in the back. They could do an oil pipeline through Syria and bypass Turkey. Of course, these are the things that would be good for Kurds that the USA Big Energy/petrodollar lobby will not allow to happen.
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I have been among the Kurds. They are among the most pro-American people in the region.
 
Jack Hays said:
I have been among the Kurds. They are among the most pro-American people in the region.
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I'm discussing pro-Kurd policies, and those are not necessarily what's good for the USA, but what is good for Kurds. They can still be pro American and do business with Syria, Russia, and Iran. Nothing mutually exclusive about what is good for one's Nation.
 
DaveFagan said:
I'm discussing pro-Kurd policies, and those are not necessarily what's good for the USA, but what is good for Kurds. They can still be pro American and do business with Syria, Russia, and Iran. Nothing mutually exclusive about what is good for one's Nation.
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They would likely seek links to the US specifically to protect themselves from those neighbors.
 
I recall things went well the last time World Powers carved up national borders in the Middle East.

Because we know the Kurds can't do it alone.
 
Jack Hays said:
They would likely seek links to the US specifically to protect themselves from those neighbors.
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I don't recall any of those neighbors attacking anybody. The USA, on the other hand, has bombed many of the Kurds MidEast neighbors. I must be naive because it looks like the USA is the destabilizing threat unless you deal them your OIL, don't you think.
 
DaveFagan said:
I don't recall any of those neighbors attacking anybody. The USA, on the other hand, has bombed many of the Kurds MidEast neighbors. I must be naive because it looks like the USA is the destabilizing threat unless you deal them your OIL, don't you think.
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The reason there hasn't been a Kurdistan is because it was carved up among Iran, Iraq and Turkey.
 
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