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    Re: Will the US Succeed in Breaking Russia to Maintain Dollar Hegemony?...

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I believe the US will win if it doesn't result in some kind of direct military conflict. We've simply got more alliances (Europe, China, Japan etc), deeper pockets and mostly, because we've really started tapping into our own petroleum resources. That with the eventual advent of alternative energy technologies will give us a big edge over any global competitors. Even China grew too fast for their own good and have started to plateau financially, and having related problems with pollution, empty cities and controlling inflation.
    *Russia Will Be Able To Overcome Economic Problems - Chinese Foreign Minister* :* Information Clearing House - ICH
    "Russia Will Be Able To Overcome Economic Problems - Chinese Foreign Minister

    "If the Russian side needs it, we shall offer all possible support we may have,” the foreign minister said


    By TASS

    BEIJING, December 22. /TASS/. China believes Russia will be able to overcome the current economic problems, and is ready to offer whatever assistance if needed, China’s Foreign Minister Wang Yi said in an interview with Hong Kong’s Fenghuang television channel on Sunday.

    “We believe that Russia has opportunities and knowledge to overcome the current problems in the economy. The Chinese-Russian relations of strategic partnership are at a high level, we are always supporting and helping our friend. If the Russian side needs it, we shall offer all possible support we may have,” the foreign minister said.

    China’s Minister of Commerce Gao Hucheng told Fenghuang while commenting on the situation with rouble: “As for certain fluctuations in the stock market and the fluctuations in the currency market - they may be of certain interest for some capital investors, and from the practical cooperation point of view - we are still calm and promote actively our cooperation.”

    The minister of commerce also expressed confidence the current financial and economic situation in Russia would not afflict implementation of the major Russian-Chinese projects in the energy, industries and other spheres.

    This short article indicates much more than is immediately apparent.
    If the USA can succeed in destroying the Russian economy and is not
    stopped, then it might also be able to destroy the Chinese economy, but
    cannot destroy either if they coordinate their economic policy. I believe
    that is what this story tacitly acknowledges. Our attempts to manipulate
    the Russian economy are backfiring and will ultimately lead to the World
    demanding a different World Reserve Currency. From an international
    viewpoint, the USA is using this Reserve Currency status as a weapon
    instead of as a stability creating economic mechanism. The USA is
    acting in a manner that says, "if you don't do it our way, we'll put the
    screws to you."
    All Nations can see this is what is happening and only the ignorant
    or corrupt would not organize their economies to protect themselves.
    The Eu and Japan are captives of our banking cartels so they have to
    support the USA irregardless of what the USA does. The USA, EU, and
    Japan combine to account for about 50-60% of the World's money
    economy and only about 16% of the World's population and resources.
    All of these figures bode ill for USA's reserve currency status and it's
    time that the USA organize to work with, not dominate, its' world neighbors.
    Its' neighbors are people, not CORPORATIONS.

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    Re: Will the US Succeed in Breaking Russia to Maintain Dollar Hegemony?...

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Is this an accurate play by play of contemporary World financials?


    Far from being an expert, my best guess is that the general idea of the US defending the dollar hegemony is somewhat accurate. What's not accurate is the political side of that take, IMO. The US are not suddenly, out of the blue attempting to "break Russia". Much like Germany in the 30s, Russia has gone through a decade of establishing a tyrannic system by an anti-Western elite that took all means necessary to confront the West; the US were forced to react on this threat by Russia, much like Britain was was forced to react on the German threat 1939.

    Is the USA creating this embroglio?
    The US is just one player among several. Putting all or just most of the blame on the US is simplistic, IMO.

    The US have been seriously challenged by Russia's new tyrannic anti-Western regime; Putin sees an opportunity, the US of course wants to defend its position.

    Are average citizens aware of this information?
    Of the US economy being largely kept together my dollar hegemony? I don't know about "average citizens", but you can read this estimation here and there voiced by experts who are considered somewhat reputable, as far as I can tell, even in the "mainstream media". But as long as "the average citizen" rather watches American Idol and wrestling, I guess he won't be aware of it.

    Is the narrative above an over-reaction to events?
    Yes. I strongly disagree with assigning the victim role to Russia and the aggressor role to the US. As far as I can tell, from a power play point of view, both sides have their interests and the will to go far enough to fight for them. From a moral point of view, Russia is the bad guy, because a quasi-fascist tyranny where no human rights are respected, has no legitimate interests whatsoever, by definition. The fraternities controlling Russia are willing to sacrifice a free political system in order to defend their interests; the top leaders in the US are not. That makes the US the good side.

    Do you understand dollar hegemony? Relate it to printing money from nothing.
    In my understanding, as long as other states are willing to hold reserves in $US and accept American debt certificates in $US, America can consume much more than it produces. And this will go well and fine, unless all these states suddenly want their money back at once.

    But I'd say this system is more stable than many apocalyptics want to make us think. China holds the largest part of US debts, IIRC, and they have no interest in suddenly asking all their money back -- that would not just break the neck of US economy, but of China's economy too. Thanks to this mutually beneficial agreement, China can export and export and export their stuff to America and grow and grow and grow in the process. Time is on their side. It would be absurd to risk that for some kind of -- potentially extremely devastating -- adventure on the side of Russia.

    The poll question, "Will the US Succeed in Breaking Russia to Maintain Dollar Hegemony?..."
    I don't know. But I hope so.
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    Re: Will the US Succeed in Breaking Russia to Maintain Dollar Hegemony?...

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Far from being an expert, my best guess is that the general idea of the US defending the dollar hegemony is somewhat accurate. What's not accurate is the political side of that take, IMO. The US are not suddenly, out of the blue attempting to "break Russia". Much like Germany in the 30s, Russia has gone through a decade of establishing a tyrannic system by an anti-Western elite that took all means necessary to confront the West; the US were forced to react on this threat by Russia, much like Britain was was forced to react on the German threat 1939.



    The US is just one player among several. Putting all or just most of the blame on the US is simplistic, IMO.

    The US have been seriously challenged by Russia's new tyrannic anti-Western regime; Putin sees an opportunity, the US of course wants to defend its position.






    I don't know. But I hope so.
    I see Putin as a Russian patriot and nationalist and doing his best to hold the Nation together after the breakup of the USSR. I don't see him as someone seeking World Domination, but I do see that in USA NeoCons. Those same USA NeoCons seem to have control of USA foreign policy and are using economic weapons to accomplish their means. The IMF, World, FED, and ECB all seem to work aggressively together to Corporare agendas, not agendas based on freedom, liberty, human rights, or any basic virtues that are a positive benefit for a population at large. Their schemes are to gain economic control wherever extractive resources are minimally developed and to gain ownership of the people's patrimony in these Nations. The USA covertly and not so covertly engineered an illegal coup in Ukraine and even the current leadership is in with only 29% approval of registered voters. The Crimea housed 20-25,000 Russian troops at leased bases and the citizens of Crimea are ethnic Russians, for the most part. The 95% approval vote for Russian annexation speaks volumes. This was what was unexpected by the USA/NATO plans. They thought they would topple Ukraine, install a stooge, and inherit the bases in Crimea. Russia would have been monumentally ignorant to allow that. NATO/USA in the Black Sea. No way. Make note that there was no bloodshed in Crimea and then observe the false flag Maidan deaths and the ensuing attack on the Eastern Ukraine provinces with thousands of deaths and attacks on non-combatants infrastructure. Water, sewage, electricity and other non-military targets. As regards the USA Reserve Currency status, Nations outside this conflict area have seen the USA use the Reserve status as a weapon against and know that the same thing can be done to them. Any wise Nation would immediately develop a defense against just such an agenda and that is what is occurring now. That is why China has stated that it will assist Russia economically, so they are not targetted as the next link in the chain. All of this because of the "Empire" agenda of World Domination economically by USA NeoCons and their affiliates in Banking and Intelligence. "Money is the root of all evil." It is the money root manifesting in all of this skullduggery. I'm attempting to write a thorough reply because I note that your reply was thoughtful and sincere, even though we are of diametrically opposite viewpoints. Not exactly a paradigm when hard facts are in the picture.

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    Re: Will the US Succeed in Breaking Russia to Maintain Dollar Hegemony?...

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I view Russia as an exemplary figurehead of moderation and a Nation that has proceeded with honor in a trying situation..
    Uh, what? Invading sovereign territory (by a treaties you yourself signed) and setting up sham referendums without authentication from international bodies passes for moderation and honor?

    ... Russia is a country with a huge dysfunctional bureaucracy and inefficient economy that refuses to reform because of cultural over reliance on cronyism. It subsequently finds itself troubled to find economic and political partners, even in its own region. Thus they have to resort violence, threats, and intimidation to obtain results that the United States has secured through soft power investments in international alliances.

    The stuff that makes these situations 'trying' for Russia is because of vices in its society that Russia itself has refused to address and reform.
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    Re: Will the US Succeed in Breaking Russia to Maintain Dollar Hegemony?...

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I see Putin as a Russian patriot and nationalist and doing his best to hold the Nation together after the breakup of the USSR. I don't see him as someone seeking World Domination, but I do see that in USA NeoCons. Those same USA NeoCons seem to have control of USA foreign policy and are using economic weapons to accomplish their means. The IMF, World, FED, and ECB all seem to work aggressively together to Corporare agendas, not agendas based on freedom, liberty, human rights, or any basic virtues that are a positive benefit for a population at large. Their schemes are to gain economic control wherever extractive resources are minimally developed and to gain ownership of the people's patrimony in these Nations. The USA covertly and not so covertly engineered an illegal coup in Ukraine and even the current leadership is in with only 29% approval of registered voters. The Crimea housed 20-25,000 Russian troops at leased bases and the citizens of Crimea are ethnic Russians, for the most part. The 95% approval vote for Russian annexation speaks volumes. This was what was unexpected by the USA/NATO plans. They thought they would topple Ukraine, install a stooge, and inherit the bases in Crimea. Russia would have been monumentally ignorant to allow that. NATO/USA in the Black Sea. No way. Make note that there was no bloodshed in Crimea and then observe the false flag Maidan deaths and the ensuing attack on the Eastern Ukraine provinces with thousands of deaths and attacks on non-combatants infrastructure. Water, sewage, electricity and other non-military targets. As regards the USA Reserve Currency status, Nations outside this conflict area have seen the USA use the Reserve status as a weapon against and know that the same thing can be done to them. Any wise Nation would immediately develop a defense against just such an agenda and that is what is occurring now. That is why China has stated that it will assist Russia economically, so they are not targetted as the next link in the chain. All of this because of the "Empire" agenda of World Domination economically by USA NeoCons and their affiliates in Banking and Intelligence. "Money is the root of all evil." It is the money root manifesting in all of this skullduggery. I'm attempting to write a thorough reply because I note that your reply was thoughtful and sincere, even though we are of diametrically opposite viewpoints. Not exactly a paradigm when hard facts are in the picture.
    I think you, Mild Steel, and Grip all ought to get an apartment together. This may be the dumbest 'poll' ever put on this forum. Of course it isn't a poll really, is it? It's just another opportunity for you to express some manlove for the Oligarch Putin and to trash the United States.
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    Re: Will the US Succeed in Breaking Russia to Maintain Dollar Hegemony?...

    Lol. The Russian ruble (₽) was never ever in a position to challenge the US dollar ($).


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