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Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threat?

Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threat?


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Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

So youi would rather fight them here.
They wouldnt be fighting us if we didnt attack them to begin with.
 
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They wouldnt be fighting us if we didnt attack them to begin with.

That is very optimistic, indeed. In a world as interconnected as ours now is, the frictions will occur all over the place and where you don't expect them. The way world security is shaped and shaping up, the war will come to us. And it will not make any difference, what we do. We can only prolong the relative security we enjoy, if we do not solve the fundamental problem of the dynamic.
 
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That is very optimistic, indeed. In a world as interconnected as ours now is, the frictions will occur all over the place and where you don't expect them. The way world security is shaped and shaping up, the war will come to us. And it will not make any difference, what we do. We can only prolong the relative security we enjoy, if we do not solve the fundamental problem of the dynamic.

We can put an end to this endless conflict if we really wanted to- all we have to do is pull back, its as simple as that.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

We can put an end to this endless conflict if we really wanted to- all we have to do is pull back, its as simple as that.

Optimism is a fine feeling. It is also fun to see.
 
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Optimism is a fine feeling. It is also fun to see.

Im afraid youve got it all backwards, my views are based on realism, the optimists are the ones who think we can win the war on terror.
 
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We can put an end to this endless conflict if we really wanted to- all we have to do is pull back, its as simple as that.

Seriously? You honestly think that pulling back would stop them?
 
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Seriously? You honestly think that pulling back would stop them?

I do indeed. Terrorists are gaining strength because of our interventions. Its giving them an opportunity to recruit more for their ranks because the more we push the more hated we get. We are not getting anything out of it anyway other than fresh hatred against us. If we pull back and stop supporting the other side there is no reason for them to attack us. Foley was killed because we intervened.
 
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Im afraid youve got it all backwards, my views are based on realism, the optimists are the ones who think we can win the war on terror.

Do you know anyone that really thinks we can win the war on terrorism in our lifetime? That would really be optimistic. It is not, after all, a war.

But the same is true of isolationists. I have never actually met one that believed that the evil would leave us alone. It is always someone who wants to save the money, because his experience tells him that someone else will produce the public good we call security.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

I do indeed. Terrorists are gaining strength because of our interventions. Its giving them an opportunity to recruit more for their ranks because the more we push the more hated we get. We are not getting anything out of it anyway other than fresh hatred against us. If we pull back and stop supporting the other side there is no reason for them to attack us. Foley was killed because we intervened.

Foley would have been killed anyway, regardless of what we did or didn't do - our intervention just set the date.

That part of the world has been at war with themselves and others since the dawn of time.

Then we have radical Islam. That particular group doesn't care if we are there or not. They hate us. They want us subjugated to them or dead. They don't really care which.

Radical Islam is not new. It didn't start at the turn of the last century when Britain was in the ME. It dang sure didn't start when the US got involved in the ME. It didn't start when Israel was formed. It sure didn't start when we went to war with Iraq the first time.

Radical Islam is a threat to the world. It has been for millennia. It has risen and waned in power throughout time. The Ottomans fought radical Islamists (and in fact it was the Ottomans that first used the term Wahhabism in the 1700's - which is a very radical and extreme form of Islam) throughout their reign from 1299 through 1923.

Us pulling out isn't going to either make them go away or to make them leave us alone. If we pulled out, and groups like ISIS took over the oil rich ME, the worlds economy would collapse.

To me, that's worth fighting over.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

What say you?

The question is too simplistic. Do I favor putting boots on the ground with the same rules of engagement that sanitize the war in an attempt to be politically correct, like in Afghanistan? I will never favor using troops in that way.

Do I favor using the full force of our military to decimate our opponent with only one objective, winning, and then leaving? Yes. A clear demonstration of American power and the willingness to eliminate evil would give us the power to use diplomacy in future conflicts.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

Do you know anyone that really thinks we can win the war on terrorism in our lifetime? That would really be optimistic. It is not, after all, a war.
If its not a war then why are we fighting in it?

But the same is true of isolationists. I have never actually met one that believed that the evil would leave us alone. It is always someone who wants to save the money, because his experience tells him that someone else will produce the public good we call security.

Ive always believed in a strong military, but a neutral one, one that doesnt intervene in affairs that we have no business in. The Swiss have been neutral for hundreds of years and they havent complained about it.
 
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Foley would have been killed anyway, regardless of what we did or didn't do - our intervention just set the date.
He would have been killed simply because we have been messing around with the Middle East since the end of WW2. ISIS may not have stealth fighters or smart bombs but they will fight back, anybody would fight back when a nation from the other side of the world attacks them when they shouldnt have to.


That part of the world has been at war with themselves and others since the dawn of time.
So why are we there?

Then we have radical Islam. That particular group doesn't care if we are there or not. They hate us. They want us subjugated to them or dead. They don't really care which.
Wrong on so many levels. Radical Islam is partly a creation of US foreign policy. We removed dictators and so left a power vacuum that was exploited by religious extremists.

And they dont want to subjugate us, they want to be left alone. There is no reason for them to come to our country and attack us other than the fact that we are attacking them.

Radical Islam is not new. It didn't start at the turn of the last century when Britain was in the ME. It dang sure didn't start when the US got involved in the ME. It didn't start when Israel was formed. It sure didn't start when we went to war with Iraq the first time.
Maybe it didnt start at that time, but we sure as hell made it grow into a monster because of what we did.

Radical Islam is a threat to the world. It has been for millennia. It has risen and waned in power throughout time. The Ottomans fought radical Islamists (and in fact it was the Ottomans that first used the term Wahhabism in the 1700's - which is a very radical and extreme form of Islam) throughout their reign from 1299 through 1923.
Radical Islam can only satiate itself on Muslim countries, it has no influence outside of them. There is no reason for us to make enemies out of a people who wouldnt care about us.

Us pulling out isn't going to either make them go away or to make them leave us alone. If we pulled out, and groups like ISIS took over the oil rich ME, the worlds economy would collapse.

To me, that's worth fighting over.
So you want to fight a war thats now the longest war in American history (and has no end in sight) over oil then? Wow. Thanks for finally admitting that.
 
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(1) If its not a war then why are we fighting in it?

(2)Ive always believed in a strong military, but a neutral one, one that doesnt intervene in affairs that we have no business in. The Swiss have been neutral for hundreds of years and they havent complained about it.

(1) It is because the criminals are outfited to kill en masse and have done and are doing it to us and our freinds.

(2) The Swiss strategy of free riding international security was great and is fine as long as others keep the trade routes open and the thieves, blackmailers and killers out there at bay.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

The whole reason there *IS* a threat is because we haven't kept our noses out of their business. So no, not only no troops, we should pull out of the Middle East entirely and let them deal with their own problems.
 
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I do indeed. Terrorists are gaining strength because of our interventions. Its giving them an opportunity to recruit more for their ranks because the more we push the more hated we get. We are not getting anything out of it anyway other than fresh hatred against us. If we pull back and stop supporting the other side there is no reason for them to attack us. Foley was killed because we intervened.

Well, the ones in Iraq and possibly Syria do have some of the American made arms and vehicles that was left to Iraqi's to defend their country with.

Besides, why would anyone want to send Boots on the ground over there? she's a pretty darn good mouser.

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Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

What say you?


Anyone who wants to buy a plane ticket to Iraq and go to war against ISIS has my permission to go there and do whatever turns them on.

I'm sure that they'll be welcomed with flowers and candy.

And maybe a nice cup of tea. :lamo
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

Anyone who wants to buy a plane ticket to Iraq and go to war against ISIS has my permission to go there and do whatever turns them on.

I'm sure that they'll be welcomed with flowers and candy.

And maybe a nice cup of tea. :lamo

 
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It's always a wonderful day somewhere, we just have to find that place and spend all of our time there.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

What say you?

I say we should bomb Saudi Arabia and cut off the financial head of the snake. Who do you think finances these Sunni/Wahabi groups anyway? We have two back stabbing alleged allies. That would be Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

DaveFagan;1063678624[B said:
]I say we should bomb Saudi Arabia and cut off the financial head of the snake[/B]. Who do you think finances these Sunni/Wahabi groups anyway? We have two back stabbing alleged allies. That would be Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.


I don't know that we should start bombing right now, but we do need to keep a close eye on our 'friends' in Saudi Arabia.

Where did Osama bin Laden and the guys who flew those planes into the buildings on 9/11 come from? Think about it.

Think hard.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

I don't know that we should start bombing right now, but we do need to keep a close eye on our 'friends' in Saudi Arabia.

Where did Osama bin Laden and the guys who flew those planes into the buildings on 9/11 come from? Think about it.

Think hard.

That's a trick question, right? Where could they have come from? They wouldn't mostly be from the same place, would they? Let's see, we've bombed Afghanistan, some of Pakistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Qatar, etc. and so they must be from one of those "BAD GUY" Nations, right? Saudis, you say! A whole slurry (as in slurry of sewage) of Saudis and a couple of yokels, all under the Pakistani ISI paymaster General Mahmoud. Stop me afore I go bonkers, but it's Saudis and Pakistanis and they don't seem to be the good guys. I better turn my TV on and get a fix on my politics, sumpins slippin', for sure, don't ya' know?
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

The main reason we care about the Middle East is oil.

Maybe we should design a program to drastically reduce our dependence upon oil.

That should solve the problem.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

The main reason we care about the Middle East is oil.

Maybe we should design a program to drastically reduce our dependence upon oil.

That should solve the problem.

We already tried hope and change, its made things worse.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

I don't know that we should start bombing right now, but we do need to keep a close eye on our 'friends' in Saudi Arabia.

Where did Osama bin Laden and the guys who flew those planes into the buildings on 9/11 come from? Think about it.

Think hard.
How many guesses would you give me? and what do I get out of it if I guess correctly?

Hijackers in the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But if we attacked SA, what about all that oil?
 
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