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Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threat?

Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threat?

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Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

I am not opposed to the current bombing campaign because it appears that it will save more innocent lives than it will destroy. Unless the circumstances change drastically, I expect to oppose sending in the troops.

One reason, is that people do not appreciate outsiders coming in and occupying their country. It would make us the bad guys in the eyes of many Iraqis and may actually increase support for ISIS. That is especially true because of our previous invasion and our support for Maliki who do not provide equality for all the religious factions, a major cause of the current fight.

There is also the fact that our last occupation did not go very well and there is no reason to think that we will do it better this time.

Finally it is not our nation and not our problem. Arguably, we created much of the current situation, but I don't think we are capable of fixing it, probably no outsider can, especially a non-Muslim outsider with a history of intervention like ours. I am willing to use our forces do what it takes to prevent a genocidal situation, but that is all.
 
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Navy Pride said:
You ever hear of 9/11? The next time it might be 100 times worse.........Wake up Liberals!!!!
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There is nothing that can stop a small group of people from committing an act of violence. We can prevent some attacks, but another one will slip through. It only took about 20 people to do the 9/11 attack.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
Yep.....You would think they would have learned from Neville Chamberlains idiotic attempts at appeasing Hitler.
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I'm tired of the WWII situation being applied to every subsequent war. The political, cultural and military factors in every war are different. We didn't appease Saddam Hussein and now the region is in a worse situation than if we did nothing.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
To be fair, we did not have the precise technology for dropping bombs in the Vietnam Era that we do now. For real precision bombing our pilots had to sweep very low at great risk. Now we can simply paint a target with a laser and the pilot can put the bombs right on the bulls eye. The northern alliance in Afghanistan for instance was stunned in regards to how accurate our bombs and missile strikes were, even with complete cloud cover.
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Yet we still didn't obtain a real victory in Afghanistan or Iraq because we made new enemies faster than we could kill them.
 
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Hard Truth said:
Yet we still didn't obtain a real victory in Afghanistan or Iraq because we made new enemies faster than we could kill them.
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No. We got very good at killing them, in fact so good they were scattered and the "list" was constantly being updated because they were with their virgins. We lose when we leave, and those evil-doers are free to rape, kill, and blow up historical and often religiously and culturally significant locations.
 
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US Conservative said:
No. We got very good at killing them, in fact so good they were scattered and the "list" was constantly being updated because they were with their virgins. We lose when we leave, and those evil-doers are free to rape, kill, and blow up historical and often religiously and culturally significant locations.
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If we effectively killed enough of them they wouldn't still be there to kill etc. Killing people isn't that effective unless you take it to a genocidal level (i.e as we did to Japan and Germany during WWII) so that there are no pissed off young people to join the fight.
 
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Hard Truth said:
If we effectively killed enough of them they wouldn't still be there to kill etc. Killing people isn't that effective unless you take it to a genocidal level (i.e as we did to Japan and Germany during WWII) so that there are no pissed off young people to join the fight.
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Attrition is an absolutely valid tactic. They simply can't handle the losses. Thats why we should fight them there, not here.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
However you are still perhaps without intending to, putting terrorists on a pedestal, The truth is that they do not represent any nation. They do not represent any region. They are simply bloody murderers fighting for a fanatical interpretation of Islam. And we are not killing terrorists for sport. We are killing them because they are murdering innocent men, women, children, and infants. If gangsters come into your town and start killing innocent people on the streets, you are okay with the police or national guard stopping them are you not? Ofcourse the bad guys fight back. They do not want to be killed. However they made the choice when they killed innocents.
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Really? If we're such do-gooders why havent we intervened in Africa, China or North Korea then? America is not the policeman of the world. We've been fighting this war on terror for over a decade now, its longer than Vietnam or WW2 and there's no end in sight. Guess what, we aren't winning.
 
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PoS said:
Really? If we're such do-gooders why havent we intervened in Africa, China or North Korea then?
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Do you not understand the concepts of context, opportunity and priorities?
 
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ecofarm said:
Do you not understand the concepts of context, opportunity and priorities?
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Youre either the policeman of the world or you arent. You cant just pick and choose and then say you are doing it for moral reasons, thats hypocrisy.
 
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PoS said:
Youre either the policeman of the world or you arent. You cant just pick and choose and then say you are doing it for moral reasons, thats hypocrisy.
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"Why not do everything at the same time" is a most pathetic attempt at geopolitical understanding.
 
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ecofarm said:
"Why not do everything at the same time" is a most pathetic attempt at geopolitical understanding.
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Doing the same things over and over again while expecting a different result each time is the definition of insanity.
 
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PoS said:
Doing the same things over and over again while expecting a different result each time is the definition of insanity.
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That's not what's being done. The West employs diplomacy and economic engagement where possible (China, Russia, Saudi) and military intervention only as a last resort. There are many tools in the geopolitical toolbox and wanting to only use the hammer, on everyone at the same time, is just plain stupid.
 
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Doesn't matter what anybody thinks -

We're going to go back ... we'll have no choice ... only question is how many Americans die before we go.
 
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GBFAN said:
Doesn't matter what anybody thinks -

We're going to go back ... we'll have no choice ... only question is how many Americans die before we go.
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We are going back to finish what Obama never could. And we are going to expose bad men to large amounts of energy.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
Yep.....You would think they would have learned from Neville Chamberlains idiotic attempts at appeasing Hitler.
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You bash Chamberlain but you know nothing about him. The Free World owes a great deal to the man who stalled to the point where Britain could survive a Nazi attack and serve as the largest naval carrier the world has ever seen. Neville Chamberlain flat out knew he was stalling for time. You don't sign an appeasement to Hitler and then order the largest military build up the UK has seen in its entire history if you aren't expecting a war. The UK was not ready and Neville Chamberlain knew it and unlike Rumsfeld, he didn't think going to war unprepared was a good idea.
 
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Hard Truth said:
I'm tired of the WWII situation being applied to every subsequent war. The political, cultural and military factors in every war are different. We didn't appease Saddam Hussein and now the region is in a worse situation than if we did nothing.
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Yup. If we did nothing, we'd have Saddam countering Iran. Now, we have an empowered Iran building nuclear weapons. Not sure how anyone with a functioning brain thought it was a good idea to spend trillions of dollars and 4,000+ American lives to make our #1 enemy in the Middle East the dominant power.

But then again, being an extreme partisan means you have no perspective. Or understanding of history. Or time for that matter. I've seen hardcore partisans blame Obama for voting to invade Iraq. While he was a state senator. In Illinois. *sigh*
 
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Captain America said:
Anything for you my dear right wing friend.
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Screw these punks. They couldn't agree to our SOFA terms...let them burn. Bush was right for not agreeing. Obama was right for not agreeing.

If the Iraqi parliament will not give us Judicial Exemption, screw em.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Sadly if you had your way Adolph Hitler and the people that followed Nazism would be running this country.......
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How is ISIS going to maintain a regime capable of producing a coherent military force that can actually threaten its neighbors?

The second an actual air force comes down on them, they get hammered. Heck, even the broken Syrian air force could do it, they just used the ISIS to pick off the other rebel groups. They're probably regretting not bombing them earlier though.

In no way are they even remotely comparable to the Nazi war machine.

Are you seriously shedding a tear for people who were years ago shooting at American soldiers?
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

I support action against ISIS.

The question if that requires ground troops, or can more efficiently be done by other means, I leave to experts.
 
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ecofarm said:
That's not what's being done. The West employs diplomacy and economic engagement where possible (China, Russia, Saudi) and military intervention only as a last resort. There are many tools in the geopolitical toolbox and wanting to only use the hammer, on everyone at the same time, is just plain stupid.
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Fighting a war you cant win is just plain stupid.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I am trying to find where I said that....Nope did not happen....Air strike alone will not do the job. That is a fact. I think committing 10,000 troops to the effort along with air strikes can do the job.
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Neo-cons have never seen a war that they didn't absolutely love.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I am trying to find where I said that....Nope did not happen....Air strike alone will not do the job. That is a fact. I think committing 10,000 troops to the effort along with air strikes can do the job.
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At what cost? How many millions that we don't have? How many more lives do we need ended or ruined? We are really going to need our military one day. But after decades of fighting, they just wont have the heart any more. We are creating enemies that we will have to fight for generations.
Think about it.
 
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PoS said:
Really? If we're such do-gooders why havent we intervened in Africa, China or North Korea then? America is not the policeman of the world. We've been fighting this war on terror for over a decade now, its longer than Vietnam or WW2 and there's no end in sight. Guess what, we aren't winning.
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The Military/Industrial/Corporate complex needs a war to profit. A war on terror is still a war if you're making money off it. We initiated TARP to save the auto industry and the War on Terror to save the MIC after Iraq and Afghanistan started to wind down. After citizens began to see through the War on Terror bullcrap, a few hot wars were needed to boost sales. It's all OK. "War is good business, and business is good." Ain't Corporatism wonderful.
 
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US Conservative said:
Attrition is an absolutely valid tactic. They simply can't handle the losses. Thats why we should fight them there, not here.
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When and where has that worked when fighting guerillas?
 
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