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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Are you actually disagreeing that Chamberlain ordered a huge military build up after meeting with Hitler?
    I'm laughing at the laughably rediculus suggestion that The Munich Agreement was part of some master plan to stall Germany and buy time to build up the British Army.
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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Chamberlains core policy was appeasement, over years with Hitler. Records were found after the war that showed Hitlers military staff had decided just before invading poland that if ANY resistance was met at the border, they would retreat and find and kill Hitler. All it would have taken was a bit of resolve, but Chamberlain hung east europe out to dry.

    Hitler owned him and it took war for him to swing around and support war. When he got back and gave his silly liberal "peace for our time" line (sounding like a John Kerry or Obama) he really thought he had achieved that. Churchill knew otherwise.
    Uh, the invasion of Poland came about the same way the Gulf of Tonkin came about: Hitler created phony Polish troops whose mission it was to "shoot at German soldiers from a boarder tower and create teh opportunity for invasion". His troops used priviously gassed Pols to be the German bodies. True story.
    Britain did not hang eastern Europe out to dry. They declared war the minute Hitler invaded Poland. Chamberlin did whatever he could do to prevent that from happening: Stalin did very much the same thing. Hitler's actions were no suprise to anyone.
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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Are you actually disagreeing that Chamberlain ordered a huge military build up after meeting with Hitler?
    Chamberlain like Obama does Islam appeased Hitler.
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by fred68 View Post
    Being ex navy, probably from the same planet as you. Just different opinions.
    You must be awfully lonesome then.......I doubt if many EX Navy guys agree with you my left wing friend.
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    How could they have stopped the Germans at the Maginot line to which the Germans largely avoided? How does a static defense that is avoided by the enemy useful in stopping the enemy other than to force them into another prepared defensive position (which the Allies didn't have.)?
    I don't have time to teach you. Read the book.

    The Brits and French where in no condition for war.
    At that point, the brits and the french combined were a lot more ready then the Germans were. Learn the history or continue looking ignorant.

    Stop lying. Seriously. Do all extreme partisans have a lying quota they have to make daily?
    Which part of "I have no use for establishment politicians in either party do you not understand? Or do you not understand what "partisanship is?

    You aren't a partisan? Are you kidding me? Even the right leaning moderators can't agree with that. Anything you say is tainted due to your obscene level of partisan behavior.
    You are just lashing out now. Yawn. I will also take it that you do not understand the difference between "partisan and leaning to the left or the right".


    And you think they should have gone to war with that? Please, why?
    Again, I don't have time to teach you. I will just point out that I doubt that you understand what was at stake.

    Wrong. The US military was geared for conventional warfare. We were not ready at all for COIN operations and it showed. Even Rumsfeld admitted we were not ready with his line "you go to war with the army you have." How can you claim we were ready for war.....yet not ready for the actual combat we saw? That logically does not make sense.
    Obviously you do not understand the context in which Rumsfeld made that statement. It was in regards to a question by a soldier regarding the military having to catch up on armor plating for Humvees and other military vehicles in convoys to protect them from IEDs set up by insurgents. You are attempting to take the readiness aspect to an extreme level. There are always adjustments that end up being made on the battlefield. The kind of readiness you are attempting to portray is simply not possible. Like it or not, the US military was more prepared and ready for war then any military force on the entire planet. That does not mean that enemy tactics will not change and become dangerous.

    Read Lt. Col Nagal's work. Especially considering he was there in Iraq, he was placed on the COIN think tank and reported directly to the top. No, the US was not ready and you are ignorant for saying so.
    I find the fact that you are putting up a link to a book and expecting me to read it as quite amusing, considering your response to my suggestion that you read the book: "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer. You merely ranted: "Partisan! Partisan!

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by fred68 View Post
    I think the forum leans right which is why it's so much fun. Right wingers calling obama a liberal or socialist is amusing to me after
    watching his actions the last five plus years. At least on the economic front I'm talking about.

    Being a far lefty like you are that does not surprise me
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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Being a far lefty like you are that does not surprise me
    I judge Obama by his actions, not what the crowd says. Obamacare? A republican plan. He never even considered single payer when he had both houses. Look at who he appoints to cabinet positions. Bankers, wall streeters, and anti labor ceo's. No wild eyed radicals that's for sure. Maybe I'm a lefty but I'm against gun control and mass immigration.
    By the way, I was on a carrier in the south china sea, '63 to '66. You?

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Sure, I am quite certain many Iraqi's could use some new boots.

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by fred68 View Post
    I judge Obama by his actions, not what the crowd says. Obamacare? A republican plan. He never even considered single payer when he had both houses. Look at who he appoints to cabinet positions. Bankers, wall streeters, and anti labor ceo's. No wild eyed radicals that's for sure. Maybe I'm a lefty but I'm against gun control and mass immigration.
    By the way, I was on a carrier in the south china sea, '63 to '66. You?
    13 months in country in 1968....2 deployments to the South China Seas
    ten month deployments to the South China Seas off Nam on dixie and yankee station aboard and AOE.
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    What say you?

    No.


    Waste of human resources.


    Simply bomb them and give high powered weapons to the Kurds for the next 20 or so years.


    That is the best option.

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