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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    When and where has that worked when fighting guerillas?
    Latin America. Vietnam. Central africa. Thats one of the central aspects of COIN warfare. Note that leaving is the exact opposite.

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Bush was winning? Then why are we still in Iraq? And why has lots of territory in the ME been seized by an organization which is rumored to be worse than Al Qeda?

    Doesnt seem like a win at all.
    Because Obama was elected, snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, and then went golfing.

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Because Obama was elected, snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, and then went golfing.
    Bush was a massive failure long before Obama came along. Both of them sucked as Presidents.
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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    You are making up history as you go along. If you want an objective history, read the book "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William L Shirer. It is very specific on everything that went on and included everything Chamberlain attempted. It was not a stalling tactic. Chamberlain acted stupidly.
    I have no desire reading an overtly partisan book advocated by an outrageously partisan member of this forum.

    It is not up for debate that right after Chamberlain returned from the signing with Hitler he ordered the largest military buildup the UK has ever seen. That alone is definitive proof that Chamberlain knew war was coming and that the UK had to prepare. Furthermore, anyone who thinks that the UK was ready for war at that time is kidding themselves. Too bad Rummy didn't pay attention to the lessons Chamberlain taught us. We probably could have saved billions of dollars and thousands of lives not rushing to war with a military not ready for that conflict.
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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Chamberlains core policy was appeasement, over years with Hitler
    Given the state of the UK's military, he had little choice. Only an extremely idiotic strategist would rush to war completely unready, lose the core of his nation's army and then be sitting duck for the counter attack. Chamberlain bought time, time the UK badly needed to build up its military for the coming storm. Extremely partisans fail to realize this because they have no sense of history at all. Anyone with a brain who's looked at the UK military before WWII knows they were weak, both in manpower and in kit.

    Records were found after the war that showed Hitlers military staff had decided just before invading poland that if ANY resistance was met at the border, they would retreat and find and kill Hitler. All it would have taken was a bit of resolve, but Chamberlain hung east europe out to dry.
    Excuse me if I don't actually believe you on this. You'll have to cite a reputable source, not some random blog you found in a dark corner of the internet. Second, how was Chamberlain to know this? You are blaming him for not acting with a vastly unready, poorly equipped force on something he knew nothing about. That makes you look extremely unreasonable. While we're at it, why don't we blame everything on the British soldier who couldn't bring himself to shoot an unarmed Hitler in WWI? Clearly he failed us all by not stopping Hitler. Of course he didn't know what would happen and shooting unarmed men is entirely without honor, but let's blame him because we know what he didn't. Jesus, you are one of the least reasonable people here.

    Hitler owned him and it took war for him to swing around and support war. When he got back and gave his silly liberal "peace for our time" line (sounding like a John Kerry or Obama) he really thought he had achieved that. Churchill knew otherwise.
    Way to completely ignore what actually happened. And Churchill won on the military Chamberlain ordered. You forget that. Because you are an extreme partisan.
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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    No I do not support putting boots on the ground (I can't stand that frigging term btw) again. We've paid enough in blood and treasure in that godforsaken land. Let them sort out their own problems.
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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by fred68 View Post
    I consider this forum mostly right leaning. But then I consider Obama a centrist to right leaning democrat for the most part . Maybe I'm wrong, but I judge him by his actions on the economic front.

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    What planet are you from my left wing friend?
    One where he does not define "leftist" as anyone who disagrees with him on anything.

    Obama is Bush III and Bush II was a right leaning centrist.
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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Given the state of the UK's military, he had little choice. Only an extremely idiotic strategist would rush to war completely unready, lose the core of his nation's army and then be sitting duck for the counter attack. Chamberlain bought time, time the UK badly needed to build up its military for the coming storm. Extremely partisans fail to realize this because they have no sense of history at all. Anyone with a brain who's looked at the UK military before WWII knows they were weak, both in manpower and in kit.



    Excuse me if I don't actually believe you on this. You'll have to cite a reputable source, not some random blog you found in a dark corner of the internet. Second, how was Chamberlain to know this? You are blaming him for not acting with a vastly unready, poorly equipped force on something he knew nothing about. That makes you look extremely unreasonable. While we're at it, why don't we blame everything on the British soldier who couldn't bring himself to shoot an unarmed Hitler in WWI? Clearly he failed us all by not stopping Hitler. Of course he didn't know what would happen and shooting unarmed men is entirely without honor, but let's blame him because we know what he didn't. Jesus, you are one of the least reasonable people here.



    Way to completely ignore what actually happened. And Churchill won on the military Chamberlain ordered. You forget that. Because you are an extreme partisan.
    I agree that Chamberlain bought time-but it was for Hitler, and more to Hitlers benefit. He knew how to give the run around to naive progressives.
    I will see if I can find the quotes on killing hitler at the first sign of resistance, it came out recently through old soviet records.

    But in the end-Chamberlain was a chump who was mugged by reality-cut from the same cloth as Obama in a world that respects power.

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I agree that Chamberlain bought time-but it was for Hitler, and more to Hitlers benefit. He knew how to give the run around to naive progressives.
    How is someone who ordered the largest military build up the UK has ever seen a "naive progressives?" You won't answer that because it requires you to admit reality.

    I will see if I can find the quotes on killing hitler at the first sign of resistance, it came out recently through old soviet records.
    Which likely means you found it on a blog in the dark corner of the internet and it's almost certainty not true.

    But in the end-Chamberlain was a chump who was mugged by reality-cut from the same cloth as Obama in a world that respects power.
    Again, how does ordering the military Churchill used to help win the war make Chamberlain a chump?

    Historically illiterate people such as yourself ignore what actually happened. Know what WOULD have made Chamberlain a total moron? Going to war against Germany with the military it had at the time.

    Tell me, how do you think that the UK military under Chamberlain, both weak in manpower and kit would have done against the Axis powers? I don't think you're even going to try answer that.

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