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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Actually attacks in Afghanistan are picking up. The only time they actually go down is during the winter.

    And areas formerly quiet are turning hot.

    Furthermore, it wasn't us who stopped the attacks in Iraq. It was the Sunnis. Unless you're willing to kill every last man, woman and child, COIN operations will not work until you separate the fish from the water. It appears you don't understand what happened in Iraq at all from 2003-2011.
    Because we have a chump president who announces withdrawal dates and does not fight wars to win them.

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Because we have a chump president who announces withdrawal dates and does not fight wars to win them.
    Which ignores that the cyclical nature of Afghanistan violence was the same under Bush. Furthermore, how can you even remotely claim to be conservative if you are pushing for what amounts to a blank check to the Afghans? Where is your notion of personal responsibility (or perhaps, you aren't conservative at all, but merely a Republican partisan)?

    Furthermore, the US does not control the Afghanistan government. Much of the failings there are due to their government. Tell me, do you think the US should have done a puppet state from the beginning? (Or are you just going to run from this question as you run from them all?)

    Bush signed the agreement with Iraq that gave a time table for removal of all US troops. Yet you never criticize him on that.

    I get that you don't understand coin. I get that you don't understand anything that happened in Iraq from 2003-2011. I get that you're solely here to bash Obama and that you have no solutions yourself.
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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Plenty of conservatives did not support the war in Iraq. Almost none support going back.
    I don't recall any conservatives publicly opposing the war except for a few near the end of the Bush II presidency, after the media and the public also opposed the war. Some libertarian conservatives opposed the war, but they were not very visible in the early years of the war.

    I think you are not familiar with the term neo-con.

    "Neoconservatism is a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s. Many of its adherents rose to political fame during the Republican presidential administrations of the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s and 2000s. Neoconservatives peaked in influence during the presidency of George W. Bush, when they played a major role in promoting and planning the invasion of Iraq.[1] Prominent neoconservatives in the Bush administration included Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle, and Paul Bremer.
    ..... Neoconservatives frequently advocate the "assertive" promotion of democracy and promotion of "American national interest" in international affairs including by means of military force....."
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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Yet we still didn't obtain a real victory in Afghanistan or Iraq because we made new enemies faster than we could kill them.
    That is silly reactionist thought. The Taliban and Al Queda were our enemies when we invaded....and they are our enemies now. That has not changed. Terrorists can always find fanatical morons to join their cause. And to be fair, we did obtain a real victory in Afghanistan. You do notice that the Afghan government is no longer run by the Taliban, don't you? They were tossed out of power in fairly short order. What we have not won is the peace after the victory. To do that, we are going to have to allow the US military to fight without having one hand tied behind their backs(in effect). The rules of engagement are far too restrictive. We should have learned that lesson in Vietnam.

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Really? If we're such do-gooders why havent we intervened in Africa, China or North Korea then? America is not the policeman of the world. We've been fighting this war on terror for over a decade now, its longer than Vietnam or WW2 and there's no end in sight. Guess what, we aren't winning.
    We were warned from the beginning that the war on terror was not going to be a quick victory. Bush was winning. Obama certainly is not. Obama stupidly assumed the war on terror was over the minute the US Navy Seals killed Osama Bin Laden. At that point his rhetoric became: We got Bin Laden, Al Queda is on the run. That's how his administration got into scandal trouble in Benghazi. He did not want to admit that the attacks that killed our ambassador were organized and planned. That's why they pushed the "Duheee...it was the video!" farce for over two weeks. It's also why Obama has been slow to react to ISIS.

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Youre either the policeman of the world or you arent. You cant just pick and choose and then say you are doing it for moral reasons, thats hypocrisy.
    We can pick and choose which hot spots represent immediate threats to the US and it's allies. And you are the one using the term policemen. The only organization that is attempting to play policeman is that useless organization known as the "United Nations".

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You bash Chamberlain but you know nothing about him. The Free World owes a great deal to the man who stalled to the point where Britain could survive a Nazi attack and serve as the largest naval carrier the world has ever seen. Neville Chamberlain flat out knew he was stalling for time. You don't sign an appeasement to Hitler and then order the largest military build up the UK has seen in its entire history if you aren't expecting a war. The UK was not ready and Neville Chamberlain knew it and unlike Rumsfeld, he didn't think going to war unprepared was a good idea.
    You are making up history as you go along. If you want an objective history, read the book "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William L Shirer. It is very specific on everything that went on and included everything Chamberlain attempted. It was not a stalling tactic. Chamberlain acted stupidly.

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    What say you?
    That's hardly necessary. We should continue our airstrikes against ISIS positions and our arming of the Kurds and the anti-ISIS Syrian rebels. Additionally, we should encourageboth sides of the Syrian conflict to conclude a truce so that they can both focus on ISIS, and - perhaps most importantly - we should pressure Turkey and the Gulf States to stop supporting ISIS financially and geographically.
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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    We were warned from the beginning that the war on terror was not going to be a quick victory. Bush was winning. Obama certainly is not. Obama stupidly assumed the war on terror was over the minute the US Navy Seals killed Osama Bin Laden. At that point his rhetoric became: We got Bin Laden, Al Queda is on the run. That's how his administration got into scandal trouble in Benghazi. He did not want to admit that the attacks that killed our ambassador were organized and planned. That's why they pushed the "Duheee...it was the video!" farce for over two weeks. It's also why Obama has been slow to react to ISIS.
    Bush was winning? Then why are we still in Iraq? And why has lots of territory in the ME been seized by an organization which is rumored to be worse than Al Qeda?

    Doesnt seem like a win at all.

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You bash Chamberlain but you know nothing about him. The Free World owes a great deal to the man who stalled to the point where Britain could survive a Nazi attack and serve as the largest naval carrier the world has ever seen. Neville Chamberlain flat out knew he was stalling for time. You don't sign an appeasement to Hitler and then order the largest military build up the UK has seen in its entire history if you aren't expecting a war. The UK was not ready and Neville Chamberlain knew it and unlike Rumsfeld, he didn't think going to war unprepared was a good idea.
    Chamberlains core policy was appeasement, over years with Hitler. Records were found after the war that showed Hitlers military staff had decided just before invading poland that if ANY resistance was met at the border, they would retreat and find and kill Hitler. All it would have taken was a bit of resolve, but Chamberlain hung east europe out to dry.

    Hitler owned him and it took war for him to swing around and support war. When he got back and gave his silly liberal "peace for our time" line (sounding like a John Kerry or Obama) he really thought he had achieved that. Churchill knew otherwise.

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