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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    The last time there was a "threat" in the middle east, the US got sucked into a 10+ year conflict that saw thousands of Americans die and trillions of dollars being spent to combat the "threat" in Iraq. Excuse me if I am skeptical about the ability for our government not to get us into an unwinnable war that has no clear vision and path. We cant fight our way to peace, we need to stop the cycle of violence, not continue it. Instead of getting raging b*ners about the idea of defense contractors getting more money and getting to go to war, how about we bring our people home, fortify our own borders here and ensure we are safe domestically, and funnel money into intelligence, so we know in advance and can thwart attacks in the future. We need to learn from our mistakes, not keep making the same ones.

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Freedon is not free my left wing friend.
    Paying for "what" in US blood and treasure is not Freedom either.
    If we start putting boots on the ground again, we may as well just move the US to the ME. There is no longer an upside to being there.
    Evacuate all US personnel we can, then turn our backs on it. Period, anything short of that and we are just going to be stupid for decades.

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I voted yes, but with an exception - that exception being that we do it such a way that it doesn't take ten years... overwhelming force with overwhelming firepower and a disarming of everyone over there, and holding any other country responsible militarily that tries to help them. And yes, that would mean the Saudi's (and any other of our so called friends), the Iranians (and any other of our so called enemies) and any-damned-one else that feeds the fire of hate.

    This thing is going to blow up the whole damned world at some point anyway.

    We may as well do it now when the damage would be so much less and the fight would be so less wide spread.

    Either that, or just sit it out completely until a mushroom cloud rises over Manhattan or something similar in scope to 9/11 hits us square in the teeth.

    Call me a war monger if you must, but you can't talk or negotiate with people that behead innocent people, rape women and children en masse, blow themselves up as suicide bombers and actually believe that GOD is demanding that they do so and that when they die they will be better off and go to heaven as praised warriors of God being lavished with pleasures in the afterlife.

    They have nothing to loose in their mind. We have everything to loose.

    But... maybe that's just me, since I've actually been in the cross hairs of people just like these, been under fire from them, wounded in action by them, and seen first hand what they can and will gladly and gleefully do, I may have a skewed view.
    Right on. No more half-ass "police actions," or "advisory capacity," bull****.

    Iraq does not want us there. Obama wanted to leave 10k troops there but Iraq refused to grant them immunity. So, now let them wallow in their own feces. When the last Iraqi or Kurdish soldier is killed on the front lines, then, and ONLY then, should we send our children over there to clean their plow.

    And if we do have to go back, no mercy. Turn that ****ing place into a glass parking lot.

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Paying for "what" in US blood and treasure is not Freedom either.
    If we start putting boots on the ground again, we may as well just move the US to the ME. There is no longer an upside to being there.
    Evacuate all US personnel we can, then turn our backs on it. Period, anything short of that and we are just going to be stupid for decades.
    That was the problem with going into Iraq in the first place. Thinking we could ever have that kind of control over that region was a fools errand. I wish the US would learn that we have absolutely no clue how the Middle East works. You take down the evil asshole in charge...and you totally destabilize the other evil assholes.

    But heck, the mission was accomplished.

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Paying for "what" in US blood and treasure is not Freedom either.
    If we start putting boots on the ground again, we may as well just move the US to the ME. There is no longer an upside to being there.
    Evacuate all US personnel we can, then turn our backs on it. Period, anything short of that and we are just going to be stupid for decades.
    Sadly if you had your way Adolph Hitler and the people that followed Nazism would be running this country.......
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    That was the problem with going into Iraq in the first place. Thinking we could ever have that kind of control over that region was a fools errand. I wish the US would learn that we have absolutely no clue how the Middle East works. You take down the evil asshole in charge...and you totally destabilize the other evil assholes.

    But heck, the mission was accomplished.
    Talking points no more no less.......Facts be told before Obama cut and run things were going pretty well in Iraqq.
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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Right on. No more half-ass "police actions," or "advisory capacity," bull****.

    Iraq does not want us there. Obama wanted to leave 10k troops there but Iraq refused to grant them immunity. So, now let them wallow in their own feces. When the last Iraqi or Kurdish soldier is killed on the front lines, then, and ONLY then, should we send our children over there to clean their plow.

    And if we do have to go back, no mercy. Turn that ****ing place into a glass parking lot.
    Can you post a link where Obama said he wantted to leave 10,000 troops in Iraq? Thanks
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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Sadly if you had your way Adolph Hitler and the people that followed Nazism would be running this country.......
    Clearly, you are wrong. You are comparing a full on war machine to a terrorist group of savages.

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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Clearly, you are wrong. You are comparing a full on war machine to a terrorist group of savages.
    I am trying to find where I said that....Nope did not happen....Air strike alone will not do the job. That is a fact. I think committing 10,000 troops to the effort along with air strikes can do the job.
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    Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

    I just read a good article by John Bolton on the jihadists in Iraq and Syria, and I agree with him that the central problem in the whole region is the Islamist regime that controls Iran. The U.S. should have overthrown it thirty years ago, but there is still time. It won't happen, though, until this county has purged itself of the National Embarrassment now occupying the White House.

    Until then, I agree with Bolton that this current jihadist rump state must be destroyed, completely, and without delay. I would also not take any of these people prisoner. They are heinous criminals who are outside all law and deserve none of the protections we give real soldiers. Winston Churchill would have had captured Nazi officials shot without any trial, because their war crimes were already obvious. I think these people deserve no better.

    Between the peshmerga and whatever reliable Iraqi forces remain, I think there are enough ground forces to defeat ten or fifteen thousand cruel savages with some captured heavy weapons they barely know how to use--provided the U.S. gives them adequate air support, reconnaissance, and supplies. I agree with Bolton on that. I also agree that a free, friendly Kurdistan should emerge from this fight.

    The U.S. must go after these people with hammer and tongs, even if that means bombing civilians in places that harbor them. Make that a stated policy, and then let those civilians decide which side to take. A small force like this does not take over such a large area without a lot of local help. Civilized nations had to accept killing many thousands of innocent people as inevitable during WWII, and we may have to accept it now.

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