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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    It pains me to say that this is none of our business, because in all actuality it is. We created this mess. Without the US intervention over the past 20 years ISIS would not be a problem, but that does not mean we now have a moral responsibility to do something- if that action is going to result in further suffering of people. Why are we more prepared then we were almost 15 years ago when the original invasion of Iraq took place? How can we be sure that this time around we are going to get it right and not have to be back in 15 years correcting the wrongs of this time. Break the cycle of incompetence.
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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    It pains me to say that this is none of our business, because in all actuality it is. We created this mess. Without the US intervention over the past 20 years ISIS would not be a problem, but that does not mean we now have a moral responsibility to do something- if that action is going to result in further suffering of people. Why are we more prepared then we were almost 15 years ago when the original invasion of Iraq took place? How can we be sure that this time around we are going to get it right and not have to be back in 15 years correcting the wrongs of this time. Break the cycle of incompetence.
    We need to stay there in low numbers but long term, yes-like post ww2 europe. And much like staying in europe prevented the soviets from expanding east, our forces here would keep terrorists, iran, and russia out of Iraq. THAT is how you break the cycle of dictators and tribal clashes.

    As a libertarian, how do you reconcile that ISIS is the clear aggressor here and other nations wish to defend themselves? They have already declaired war on the US, and openly threatened us as well.

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    First off let's start with the grammar corrections then let's get to your illogical statements. It's "don't" not "dont". "It's" not "its".

    Israel is a fake country created by another country. It won't be there in 100 years. Syria is merely a geographic expression as is Saudi and Iraq. Those are fake nations with opposing factions within them and always have been. They never were meant to be actual united nations and history is simply correcting itself. Israel has no natural borders unlike Iran. Israel could never have been created without foreign powers. Israel is a horrendous historical mistake that is going to sadly be another mass death in the future once Arab nations around it amass their inevitable power in the future. That blood and resulting genocide will be on the idiotic hands of those who created the temporary fake state of Israel. It's a disgrace that this future genocide will occur and historically it will be seen as such I've no doubt. Jews have always been internationalists and should never have been "given" a fake little country that is ultimately indefensible long term. I truly almost do wonder if it wasn't Hitlers last wish that such a thing happen. It seriously will go down in history as a disastrous decision for the Jewish people.
    Gotta disagree there. Israel, while it is a creation of another is not doomed because of its neighbors.

    Israel is doomed because of the agreement made in the very beginning by Ben Gurion to amass political power. Israel already has a 50% income tax rate on top of the US welfare to support its military and massively out of control growing religious welfare population. While Israel seems to recognize that its biggest threat is in fact internal, every little external threat removes that focus. Israel without major change to how it treats its ultra orthodox who are literally breeding like rabbits and do nothing good for the economy are going to destroy Israel. It was once said that give Israel 6 months of peace and it will tear itself apart. I suspect that is largely true.

    The Arab nations do not possess the military capacity and their leaderships are finding friendly terms with Israel beneficial. Israel's greatest threat does not lie outside its borders. It comes from within.
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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    I think a better question would be whether we have reason to combat them for our own security purposes.

    Moral reasons frankly take a second place to that, I think.
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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I think a better question would be whether we have reason to combat them for our own security purposes.

    Moral reasons frankly take a second place to that, I think.
    This would more correctly be an ethical responsibility.

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We need to stay there in low numbers but long term, yes-like post ww2 europe. And much like staying in europe prevented the soviets from expanding east, our forces here would keep terrorists, iran, and russia out of Iraq. THAT is how you break the cycle of dictators and tribal clashes.

    As a libertarian, how do you reconcile that ISIS is the clear aggressor here and other nations wish to defend themselves? They have already declaired war on the US, and openly threatened us as well.
    We cannot change tribal traditions, not with millions of dollars or with crates of weaponry or with blood. Those tensions run deeper then what the US can, and should do.

    As for ISIS declaring war on the US, they are not a nation, they are a group with radical beliefs. They are not a state sponsored group, so to put boots on the ground is not only irresponsible but immoral. We can on the other hand keep tabs using intelligence on the group and take proactive measures back home to secure ourselves.
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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    We cannot change tribal traditions, not with millions of dollars or with crates of weaponry or with blood. Those tensions run deeper then what the US can, and should do.

    As for ISIS declaring war on the US, they are not a nation, they are a group with radical beliefs. They are not a state sponsored group, so to put boots on the ground is not only irresponsible but immoral. We can on the other hand keep tabs using intelligence on the group and take proactive measures back home to secure ourselves.
    As for your first paragraph what does that have to do with my comments?
    As for the second, THEY CONTROL LAND. In that way, they are a "state". By your logic any non-govt entity would have its way with the USA.

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    As for your first paragraph what does that have to do with my comments?
    As for the second, THEY CONTROL LAND. In that way, they are a "state". By your logic any non-govt entity would have its way with the USA.
    Not true, I just acknowledged that the US can monitor and defend itself in times of need, but that does not mean putting boots on the ground.
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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You do realize it was worse before we got there, right?
    Worse for who?
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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?



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    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I don't think it's moral...I think it's self interest. Issis taking over an oil rich nation is bad news....if only we could bring Saddam back into power. He was a tyrant and bloodthirsty but he kept the Huns at bay...
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