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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    He tried to get him at least. GW Bush forbid even the mentioning of his name lest it distract from his childish goal of ousting Saddam. Bush dropped the ball on Bin Laden and 911 was the result.
    He had OBL targeted, and held off. Thats a piss poor attempt, why even risk the assets if you dont have the balls to pull the trigger?

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Possibly, but I would be personally more convinced for intervention if oil supplies are threatened.
    What do you think a ME with MORE Iranian and Russian influence, as well as more terrorism will do to world oil supplies?

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    What do you think a ME with MORE Iranian and Russian influence, as well as more terrorism will do to world oil supplies?
    Russia, as far as I can tell, benefits immensely from our continued deep presence in the Middle East. It allows Russia to move a bit more forcefully in Europe.

    Intervention with ISIS is certainly tempting on a humanitarian front, but I personally think the Left has undervalued the notion that tangible benefits from intervention are worthwhile pursuits.

    If one is to engage militarily, might we as well point to some sort of material benefit? A war for oil to me might not be as folly as a War to spread democratic values.
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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    What do you think a ME with MORE Iranian and Russian influence, as well as more terrorism will do to world oil supplies?
    More reason to reduce our oil consumption. Less US consumption = Less US vulnerability. Furthermore, the US's #1 export is refined oil products. Furthermore, the Russians themselves have a clear benefit of reducing Islamic terrorism given that they themselves have been the target many, many, many times. If you had any understanding of history (which you have demonstrated time and time again you do not), you'd know this. As for the Iranians, they are still screwed on the sanctions with only a few buyers, all of which are giving them exceptionally bad deals. Anyway, let them spend treasure and blood there. It's about time the US stop playing police man.

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    More reason to reduce our oil consumption. Less US consumption = Less US vulnerability. Furthermore, the US's #1 export is refined oil products. Furthermore, the Russians themselves have a clear benefit of reducing Islamic terrorism given that they themselves have been the target many, many, many times. If you had any understanding of history (which you have demonstrated time and time again you do not), you'd know this. As for the Iranians, they are still screwed on the sanctions with only a few buyers, all of which are giving them exceptionally bad deals. Anyway, let them spend treasure and blood there. It's about time the US stop playing police man.

    Your positions stem from a foundation of gross ignorance.
    Russia is a stanch supporter of Iran-which is the worlds largest state sponsor of terrorism. And they are also Shiite, not sunni. That wont help in Iraq-and it might hurt if Iraq begins to refine the Iranian oil Iran can't.

    As for oil dependency-world oil prices are set by supply. We need to be drilling here more. There are simply no alternatives to oil at this time (nuclear is promising) to power a 21st century economy period.

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post

    If one is to engage militarily, might we as well point to some sort of material benefit? A war for oil to me might not be as folly as a War to spread democratic values.
    Although Id agree with the first statement, in practice we never "billed" Iraq, did we? We aren't even getting much oil from them-most goes to china. Its one reason why I roll my eyes when people say we went to war for oil.

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Although Id agree with the first statement, in practice we never "billed" Iraq, did we? We aren't even getting much oil from them-most goes to china. Its one reason why I roll my eyes when people say we went to war for oil.
    To an extent I agree. We have been working on a better oil relationship with Iraq, but unfortunately have not significantly improved in that manner. I think you'll find from me a viewpoint that suggests that the war and occupation in Iraq should have had more to do with oil than it did, rather than admonish the entire concept as immoral.
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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    They have proclaimed genocidal aims, so yes, combating ISIS is a moral imperative. Beyond that, there are security concerns which make combating ISIS a good idea, to say the least.
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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We knew Clinton let OBL go years ago, this was just evidence that Clinton was aware of his folly-in a very untimely admission.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Russia is a stanch supporter of Iran-which is the worlds largest state sponsor of terrorism. And they are also Shiite, not sunni. That wont help in Iraq-and it might hurt if Iraq begins to refine the Iranian oil Iran can't.
    So? Iran has a clear reason to stop the ISIS. And it does help Iraq in that Iran has a clear motive to prevent the fall of Shiaa heavy Iraq. Iran exports terrorism as a tool but Russia has an incentive to curtail Islamic terrorism. I know you have no understanding of Russian history period at all in any way shape or form, but they spent billions of rubles and lives fighting it. Merely because you are grossly ignorant does not mean it did not happen.

    As for oil dependency-world oil prices are set by supply. We need to be drilling here more. There are simply no alternatives to oil at this time (nuclear is promising) to power a 21st century economy period.
    Tell me, what happens to the price of oil if the largest consumer reduces its demand by 1/3? How about 1/2? World oil prices are set by supply and demand as well as some level of speculation. If the US replaces its demand for oil in a large chunk, oil prices fall. We don't need to be drilling more here as we need to be reducing consumption. Switch to natural gas, throw a billion dollars at a battery prize. Nuclear is not promising because it's a subsidy heavy energy source that cannot stand on its own in a free market. You were obviously sleeping, but nuclear power had a revival in 2007 and promptly died when fracking dropped natural gas prices through the floor. Nuclear already required absurd subsidies per kilowatt generated before fracking happened.

    You do realize that we destroy the price of oil, we destroy Russia, Iran and Venezuela in one bloodless stroke right?
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