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  • Yes, it's a moral imperative.

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  • Yes, but only in a limited and supporting role.

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    As opposed to Clinton pretty much ignoring the problem? Yeah, figures that'd be your position. The 'Blame Bush' position. The reality is as it always is, and that's it took many hands and many actions to get to where we are. It's pretty useless, beyond petty partisanship, to try to blame any single president.



    While I agree that drones seem to be the most effective, but it's like spraying Round Up on weeds. The weeds always come back at some point, and sometimes you have to actually pull the weeds out.

    Rather presumptuous, that use of 'we', I think.

    While I'm not saying that there isn't a war weariness in the nation, there is. What I am saying is that sometimes early engagement is the cheaper route, in terms of loss of life, financial commitment, better outcome, etc. than delaying engagement. The skill and wisdom is to recognize if the situation is one of these, to effectively marshal the needed support and resources, and to execute, limiting and controlling mission creep.
    Bush was a bungling buffoon, surrounded by idiots and yes that was a big reason for the terrorists success on 911. Republicans must start taking responsibility if they ever want to be President again.

    Actually Round-up kills weeds so they can't come back. Its the seeds that sprout to form new weeds. We need to stop the production of the seeds of terrorism which is not by military force but by humanitarian aid.
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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Something which only came to light in 2014 made us look weak 13 years ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Probably need to be far more thorough, forceful, and deadly efficient without remorse, exactly as they are, unfortunately, except with better intel, weapons, and tactics.
    At least you admit you want us to act like the bad guys.
    Often people suggest the same as you but then try to weasel out of having to call what they have suggested evil.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I think we, as the strongest military power in the world, should be using our military power to protect people from violence before any other duty. If we want to claim the moral high ground, then we ought to be intervening to save people from the massacres that ISIS is carrying out. Humanitarian intervention is one of the few reasons that fighting can be noble.
    Refreshing to hear this from a socialist.

    ISIS are a bunch of hicks, they aren't dug in, and they can be rapidly expelled. HOWEVER, we will need to maintain a small military presence there to keep them out, probably for years. Once this has stabilized, Iraqi's will be on the front line, not the US. Thankfully most of the infrastructure still stands, even in ISIS territory.

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    At least Clinton tried to get Bin Laden much to chagrin of Republicans who said it was wagging the dog at the time. The info released last year proved that Bush brushed off all reports of Al-Qaida activity as a hoax perpetrated by Saddam Hussein and refused to warn the airlines or anybody about the impending "attack from the air" that he received repeated warnings about.
    I think your are dreaming if you think Americans will become SS storm troopers anytime soon. We are tired of useless expensive wars that make things worse. Drones that kill terrorist leaders are the best offense against them as it denies them the targets that they desire.
    Clinton let Bin Laden go.

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    honestly i can give a flying **** if it turns into a democracy or not. I just want their faces in the sand enough for them to never be able to attack the U.S again.
    That wont happen unless we maintain a limited presence there, probably long term. It will be low-intensity.

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Possibly, but I would be personally more convinced for intervention if oil supplies are threatened.
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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Something which only came to light in 2014 made us look weak 13 years ago?


    At least you admit you want us to act like the bad guys.
    Often people suggest the same as you but then try to weasel out of having to call what they have suggested evil.
    We knew Clinton let OBL go years ago, this was just evidence that Clinton was aware of his folly-in a very untimely admission.

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    That wont happen unless we maintain a limited presence there, probably long term. It will be low-intensity.
    So you want to "limit" terrorism by providing targets and recruiting slogans in their home countries? It is our continued meddling on their lands that is providing the fodder for their propaganda that we wish to destroy all Muslims.

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Clinton let Bin Laden go.
    He tried to get him at least. GW Bush forbid even the mentioning of his name lest it distract from his childish goal of ousting Saddam. Bush dropped the ball on Bin Laden and 911 was the result.

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    Re: Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So you want to "limit" terrorism by providing targets and recruiting slogans in their home countries? It is our continued meddling on their lands that is providing the fodder for their propaganda that we wish to destroy all Muslims.
    Look at what happened in Iraq after we left-it was initially stable and then ISIS moved in (often to "rest" after being expelled from Syria).

    We need to not give them a base, and then maintain a presence so they can't come back in. Thats all we need to do-exactly what Obama's generals and the Iraqi military TOLD Obama before he pulled out for politics.

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