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Thread: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How much you want you to bet that crime only increases a few percentage points. How much you want to bet that the police don't discourage crime all that much at all.
    You think crime wouldn't increase dramatically if people knew there was no potential of getting caught or punished?
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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It would be like "The Purge".
    I doubt that.

    The purge was fine entertainment but ran off of a premise which I think is false.

    Most people are not stopped from preventing murder and other violent acts because it is illegal. Sure a few would react to lack of laws or law enforcement by being violent but I doubt many would.

    Most people would still be decent to each other and not try to harm each other if the laws or law enforcement suddenly vanished.

    OF course if the purge were real I would commit many illegal acts such as ripping off the tag on my matress which reads " do not remove under penalty of law "

    Or collecting rain water.

    Or planting a vegetable garden in my front yard.

    Or feeding some homeless guy or dropping a quarter into an expired parking meter.

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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You think crime wouldn't increase dramatically if people knew there was no potential of getting caught or punished?
    No, I don't.

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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    OF course if the purge were real I would commit many illegal acts such as ripping off the tag on my matress which reads " do not remove under penalty of law "

    Or collecting rain water.

    Or planting a vegetable garden in my front yard.

    Or feeding some homeless guy or dropping a quarter into an expired parking meter.
    Yeah, things like permit laws would get violated like crazy.

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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Hey good morning Clax, hope all is well!

    Are you a cop? I didn't know that.
    He might put the cuffs on you. Nahhhh
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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah, things like permit laws would get violated like crazy.
    Which is something not generally handled by police in the first place.

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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    OR a suburban home?

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    The theory always seems to be that such law enforcement assets are to be used only for the most dangerous situations where officers might have to face violent opposition.

    The problem is such situations are few and far between. So the rest of the time these assets whether a SWAT team or vehicle or whatever sits around and trains goes on display in a parade or whatever. Then everyone from the politicians on down wonder why they spend so much time and money doing very little. THEN they start to find reasons and excuse to put these assets to work.

    Inevitable you end up sending these assets out for situations which would otherwise be routine. Then we start seeing the result such as innocent people being killed because a heavily militarized police force raided the wrong house due to a typo and the innocent homeowner had no idea who was attacking him and tried to defend himself. Or just had a heart attack after being forced from a deep sleep into a life threatening situation with people pointing guns at him or her.

    100 years ago and beyond ( and even for a long time after ) we had violent gangs and criminals as heavily armed as they are today yet the police were somehow able to effectively deal with them without all of the militarization they have today.

    Civilization needs law enforcement and ours is no different. The question is how much and we must always remember more government equals less freedom and liberty.
    I dont mind them having the armored cars, but I do mind when they feel they need to use them when it is not appropriate.

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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Which is something not generally handled by police in the first place.
    True, but if they weren't enforced no one would bother dealing with it.
    Last edited by Henrin; 08-21-14 at 02:13 PM.

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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    I dont mind them having the armored cars, but I do mind when they feel they need to use them when it is not appropriate.
    Well that was kind of my point.

    Once in a great while the need arises but the rest of the time they will find any excuse to employ them. The response always seems to be try and limit their use which never seems to work.

    The only viable answer seems to be stripping these assets from them.

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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Which is something not generally handled by police in the first place.
    So no one has been arrested for these legal infringements?

    I seem to recall a heavily armed response to a grocery store in california which was selling raw milk. I have seen several examples of people arrested for randomly putting quarters into expired parking meters. It was in fact the local police which informed certian people in some areas that their kids could not operate a lemonade stand without business license.

    If pople ignore the insane and crazy laws imposed on them the police will be called to intervene when the actions of beauracrats are disregarded.

    Every regulatory agency clearly has law enforcement backing them up which means these agencies operate under implied threat of force.

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