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Thread: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    That's true but the organized crime is thriving there.
    We've got bankers "too big to jail" and you don't think it's thriving here?

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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I have never quite understood why a police force might need a tank.
    If you are referring to armored vehicles as tanks then the answer is so they dont get shot when going into a compound or something in force.

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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States prior to 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Take some time to follow the 2014 links and numbers as well.

    "This is an incomplete list that may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by expanding it with entries that are reliably sourced.This is a list of people killed by nonmilitary law enforcement officers occurring before 2009, whether in the line of duty or not, and regardless of reason or method. Inclusion in the list implies neither wrongdoing nor justification on the part of the person killed or the officer involved. The listing merely documents the occurrence of a death. Killings are arranged by date of incident which caused death. Different death dates are, if possible, noted in the description.
    The lists below are incomplete, as the annual average number of justifiable homicides committed by law enforcement alone is estimated to be near 400.[1]
    For lists of killings from other years, see List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States."

    Has militarization of USA police increased this number?

    Do more of the deaths seem unjustified?

    Do you approve of the militarization of USA police?

    Do the police seem trigger-happy?

    Why are there so few deaths by Law Enforcement Officers in England?

    In many arguments people seem to compare the USA to some other country such as England. I don't know why they make such comparisons nor do I know why the numbers are different other than they are different.

    Why is the rate of officer shootings in THIS country different from city to city and not always a reflection of population? By that I mean sometimes the largest cities have a lower rate of officer shootings than relatively smaller cities such as Detroit or Cleveland.

    I think it is clear militarization of police forces has increased the number. Whether or not militarization ALONE has caused a greater number of unjutified police killings I cannot say but it seems clear that militarization and the war on drugs are linked and the two together HAS increased police killings especially unjutified killings.

    I do not believe that the average officer is trigger happy in fact the average officer is ambitious and interested in advancing his career and most of them know full well that pulling the trigger can easily end their career if even one thing goes wrong.

    Having said that when a department becomes militarized precisely how do they become militarized? Obviously in most typical cases they form a tactical unit, swat team or whatever name they wish to give it and those officers are chosen selectively. Perhaps those who are picked to be on such teams are a bit more aggressive and therefore more trigger happy in the sense they wish to prove themselves.

    I have long opposed the increased militarization of the police for many reasons. One needs to remember that it is not strictly the weapons and uniforms and equipment such as vehicles which is become more and more militarized. The organizations are becoming militarized. This is much more important than people realize. WHen the cops start to follow a chain of command and work together LIKE the military they are essentially becoming another military. Right now I truly believe that few if any police officers really protect and serve the public. Their loyalty is to their superiors all the way up the chain of command ending with the governor or president or mayor or whoever hired them.

    In addition it is the information technology which is ominous. I can deal with a few cops carrying military grade weapons etc. WHat bothers me is the vast sums of money being spent to basically spy on the citizens in evry way imaginable from drones to data bases.

    Just one example has been challenged recently by the ACLU. It seems several large departments have begun using license plate readers which are installed on streets all over the city. All they do is capture a scan of EVERY license plate which comes into view and places that into a data base. What this amounts to is keeping a record of every movement of every car. The departments claim it is a valuable tool in tracking criminals, except they cannot produce one example of any such information being used to apprehend or track a criminal. So what is it for? I hate to be conspiritorial but what happens when some government stooge becomes curious about the random and illogical trips I take by car?

    Combine the law which in many ways is far too intrusive and even shreds the bill of rights with this intelligence gathering technology and with the organization and funding with the weapons and you have a bad recipe.

    IN the end they just do not need all this crap. The Nation needs a government but the people of this nation do not need to be governed.
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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    We've got bankers "too big to jail" and you don't think it's thriving here?
    You're right.

    However, I meant for the organized crime in streets.
    The risk of a teenager falling into crime scene is bigger there. I believe that place is the biggest in EU.
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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    you know what.....that is actually a great idea

    with all the **** being written about our law enforcement agencies lately...who would blame them

    let them walk off the jobs for say 2-3 weeks

    i would be fine with it.....i can protect my own

    maybe, just maybe a little more respect would be coming their way after that

    how much damage can the gangs, and criminals do when they know they have a few weeks of "free time"

    wanna bet that those who are berating them now would be praying for them to get back on the job then

    i kinda like this idea of mine....
    It would be like "The Purge".
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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    I have the same opinion of Cops as I do of teachers. If you find a good one, they cannot be paid enough. Good ones are not as common as horse turds in either case. A good teacher does well with minimal tools and a good cop does the same. It's not about weapons, firepower, money, organization or management, but personal committment to a community and not a paycheck.

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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I have the same opinion of Cops as I do of teachers. If you find a good one, they cannot be paid enough. Good ones are not as common as horse turds in either case. A good teacher does well with minimal tools and a good cop does the same. It's not about weapons, firepower, money, organization or management, but personal committment to a community and not a paycheck.

    You haven't a single clue about teachers or cops.

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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It would be like "The Purge".
    How much you want you to bet that crime only increases a few percentage points. How much you want to bet that the police don't discourage crime all that much at all.

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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You haven't a single clue about teachers or cops.
    Your opinion is noted. I'll have it printed on soft paper and place it near my commode to make it uesful.

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    Re: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    If you are referring to armored vehicles as tanks then the answer is so they dont get shot when going into a compound or something in force.
    OR a suburban home?

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    The theory always seems to be that such law enforcement assets are to be used only for the most dangerous situations where officers might have to face violent opposition.

    The problem is such situations are few and far between. So the rest of the time these assets whether a SWAT team or vehicle or whatever sits around and trains goes on display in a parade or whatever. Then everyone from the politicians on down wonder why they spend so much time and money doing very little. THEN they start to find reasons and excuse to put these assets to work.

    Inevitable you end up sending these assets out for situations which would otherwise be routine. Then we start seeing the result such as innocent people being killed because a heavily militarized police force raided the wrong house due to a typo and the innocent homeowner had no idea who was attacking him and tried to defend himself. Or just had a heart attack after being forced from a deep sleep into a life threatening situation with people pointing guns at him or her.

    100 years ago and beyond ( and even for a long time after ) we had violent gangs and criminals as heavily armed as they are today yet the police were somehow able to effectively deal with them without all of the militarization they have today.

    Civilization needs law enforcement and ours is no different. The question is how much and we must always remember more government equals less freedom and liberty.

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