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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    There is a lot of turnover in our police department here, well first, because there's more money in joining the Border Patrol or Customs but also because a lot of the patrol officers feel their higher ups don't have their back. Even a complaint from the demonstrably violent and lying criminal can get them a black mark on their record.
    I have and have had family members and close friends who are/were in law enforcement and yes, there is a growing trend to accuse/blame the cop first and make a huge deal of possible wrong doing. But once he is shown to be in the right, there is rarely notice given to that. That kind of thing wears a person down after awhile. You can do a good job for only so long when everything about your job is seen as negative and bad or suspicious and you get almost no appreciation for the really difficult and necessary job that it is. Most especially if the whole department is tarnished by the one, very rare bad cop.
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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But the idea that a rogue cop out of a department of mostly good cops is going to shake the public's confidence more than a bad mayor or justice department or election official or governor or senator or president is just absurd.
    Ever heard the saying "one spoiled apple ruins the bunch?"

    Now, I am not saying the public's confidence is noticeably shaken when it is just one cop. But corruption is like a disease. It can spread quickly, especially if it isn't immediately rooted out.
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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I have and have had family members and close friends who are/were in law enforcement and yes, there is a growing trend to accuse/blame the cop first and make a huge deal of possible wrong doing. But once he is shown to be in the right, there is rarely notice given to that. That kind of thing wears a person down after awhile. You can do a good job for only so long when everything about your job is seen as negative and bad or suspicious and you get almost no appreciation for the really difficult and necessary job that it is. Most especially if the whole department is tarnished by the one, very rare bad cop.
    I was engaged to a cop's daughter and the stress they are under can be immense. The level's of depression, alcoholism and divorce amongst cops is way above the national average.

    It is, quite literally, a near thankless job.

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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Higher standard...they are given additional power by the rest of us and that means they should be held to a higher standard when exercising that power.
    Seems the same standards should apply to our elected officials as well. Funny how each party can excuse those standards when applied to their own elected officials. "He might be a crook, but he is our crook. Look at all the good things he has done for us."
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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by BretJ View Post
    Seems the same standards should apply to our elected officials as well. Funny how each party can excuse those standards when applied to their own elected officials. "He might be a crook, but he is our crook. Look at all the good things he has done for us."
    I don't think people do...if someone does something illegal I don't think people tend to support them.
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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    As a teacher, I am held to a higher standard. If I post pictures of myself drinking on FB, what do you think happens to me? And what happens to the CEO if he does it?

    Cops are on the public payroll and are expected to protect the citizens. Of course, they should be held to a higher standard.
    Which proves my point. Teachers, CEOs etc. all are held to a high standard. Same as cops.

    Nobody should be held to a lower standard than anyone else. Everyone should be held to the same one.

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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Which proves my point. Teachers, CEOs etc. all are held to a high standard. Same as cops.

    Nobody should be held to a lower standard than anyone else. Everyone should be held to the same one.
    I doubt a CEO is going to get fired for posting a picture of him/herself holding a beer. Nor should they.
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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I doubt a CEO is going to get fired for posting a picture of him/herself holding a beer. Nor should they.
    A CEO will get fired for abusing his power and getting caught. He will be fired for many transgressions.

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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    A CEO will get fired for abusing his power and getting caught. He will be fired for many transgressions.
    Are we still talking about picture posts?
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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Never heard of it taking six months. You have a link to any of your statement or proof or anything other than cop hate?
    I watch our local Police Commission hearings. I have seen some misconduct cases take years to resolve. Shootings vary quite a bit on the investigation time depending on a variety of circumstances. If you are curious go to the websites for Police Commissions, Citizen Police Review Boards etc. and newspapers and look at how long it takes to resolve cases.

    Here's a link to a well known case that happened on Oct. 22, 2013 with a decision on charges announces on July 8, 2014: No Charges in Shooting of 13-Year-Old Andy Lopez By Sonoma County Sheriff's Deputy | NBC Bay Area

    If you review my posts you'll find criticism of police practices and certain laws, and examples of bad cops, but no expression of hatred towards the police in general. They are people, some are good at their job, some should be considered unfit for police work. I believe all people with the amount of power and responsibility as the police need to be held equally accountable. Effectively being held accountable is the key to get the best performance from workers.
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