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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I checked "Higher standard than the rest of us" and then I wished I could have taken it back. They should be held to the same standard as the rest of us when it comes to malfeasance on the job. You do something improper as a cop, you should have to pay the price. No more, no less.

    Why is a cop who does something "improper" any worse an offender than a teacher who abuses a kid, or a CEO who abuses his power - or a politician who abuses his office?


    You left out the single most important factor. Power.

    Police have an incredible amount of power. In the history of mankind, society has always placed a higher standard of behavior and honor on the holders of power. The Romans executed governors who erred, not the Centurians who did the deeds. Ships captains are expected to be the last off the ship, a pilot drinking on the job risks lives and therefore loses his career as opposed to a roadside suspension.

    Police, good ones I have known, know and respect that. They know their testimony carries more weight with a jury, they know that they're mere arrival can alter the scene. They know that what they hear going into an incident is likely wrong, that just because someone may have thought they saw a gun, they wait to see one for themselves before opening fire.

    The good ones.

    What triggers me, if you will pardon the reference, is the usual knee jerk reaction from the gun lobby, wannabees and ex-military, is the immediate assumption the suspect is lying and that all cops are good.

    They aren't. And when they're bad, the results are far more injurious and harmful than say a dentist who screws up a filling....

    Thus higher standards.
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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    And bitch and threaten to call the mayor if they had to wait longer than 30 seconds! :
    Funny how that works, isn't it?

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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You left out the single most important factor. Power.

    Police have an incredible amount of power. In the history of mankind, society has always placed a higher standard of behavior and honor on the holders of power. The Romans executed governors who erred, not the Centurians who did the deeds. Ships captains are expected to be the last off the ship, a pilot drinking on the job risks lives and therefore loses his career as opposed to a roadside suspension.

    Police, good ones I have known, know and respect that. They know their testimony carries more weight with a jury, they know that they're mere arrival can alter the scene. They know that what they hear going into an incident is likely wrong, that just because someone may have thought they saw a gun, they wait to see one for themselves before opening fire.

    The good ones.

    What triggers me, if you will pardon the reference, is the usual knee jerk reaction from the gun lobby, wannabees and ex-military, is the immediate assumption the suspect is lying and that all cops are good.

    They aren't. And when they're bad, the results are far more injurious and harmful than say a dentist who screws up a filling....

    Thus higher standards.
    all cops are good


    Nobody with any brain would say that because there is no perfection in the world. There are almost 1 million police officers in this country. It's unrealistic to believe that in a group that large, you will find all goodness.

    Of course a policeman has power. So do teachers. So do lawyers - hell, lawyers have someone else's life in their hands. I'm a sales manager - I have power too.

    You will always find people who abuse power. MOST don't. Just like you can find a scared teenager who drowns her newborn in a toilet, but MOST scared teenage mothers don't do that.

    A pilot drinking on the job isn't relevant to the "hold to a higher standard than the rest of us" discussion. None of us are supposed to be drinking and operating a machine. The mechanic isn't supposed to be drinking while fixing the plane either, and he will get fired if caught, so no, the pilot is not held to any higher standard than the rest of us.

    Anyone who breaks a law or gets caught abusing his/her power should be punished, no matter what position that person is in.

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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Of course a policeman has power. So do teachers. So do lawyers - hell, lawyers have someone else's life in their hands. I'm a sales manager - I have power too.
    Those levels of power are so divergent as to be virtually apples and oranges. Just about the only civilian profession that wields as much... probably more... power as police are judges.
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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    The police have to be held to a high standard, higher than an ordinary person. In return they should be paid well and given respect.

    I would like to see candidates with authoritarian or volatile personalities washed out during their training. The police force should not be a place for fascists, racists, control freaks, hotheads, bullies or victims of childhood bullying seeking revenge.

    The reality is that police spend a lot of time dealing with mentally ill people and/or people having a crisis.

    Instead of less than a year of training, in addition to the usual policing skills, officers should have at least two years of training/education that includes de-escalation/conflict resolution, mediation, history, theory and critiques of policing, history and politics of class and race, diversity and cultural competency, and psychology. Officers should be skilled at working with mentally ill people and learn the skills taught to psychiatric technicians in "restraining violent or potentially violent or suicidal patients by verbal or physical means as required." (About Psychiatric Technicians - American Association of Psychiatric Technicians)

    Eliminating recreational drug prohibition and increasing the educational requirements for policing will help achieve greater diversity and more professionalism. Allowing a greater diversity of people into police work would greatly improve policing and community relations. As it is now, nearly all cops are politically conservative, religious, authoritarian conformists with a background in sports and/or the military. Many were bullies or thuggish in their younger years. Those are the few people willing to do some of the more unsavory aspects of police work such as harassing minorities and marginalized people, enforcing the class system and arresting people for victimless crimes.
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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
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    You will always find people who abuse power. MOST don't. ...
    Actually, history shows that people with enough power will abuse it if they are not held accountable.

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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    They should be held to the highest standard and fired far more often for breaking laws or violating rights up to and including FAR MORE jail time so that we get good good GOOD cops.
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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    all cops are good


    Nobody with any brain would say that because there is no perfection in the world. There are almost 1 million police officers in this country. It's unrealistic to believe that in a group that large, you will find all goodness.

    Of course a policeman has power. So do teachers. So do lawyers - hell, lawyers have someone else's life in their hands. I'm a sales manager - I have power too.

    You will always find people who abuse power. MOST don't. Just like you can find a scared teenager who drowns her newborn in a toilet, but MOST scared teenage mothers don't do that.

    A pilot drinking on the job isn't relevant to the "hold to a higher standard than the rest of us" discussion. None of us are supposed to be drinking and operating a machine. The mechanic isn't supposed to be drinking while fixing the plane either, and he will get fired if caught, so no, the pilot is not held to any higher standard than the rest of us.

    Anyone who breaks a law or gets caught abusing his/her power should be punished, no matter what position that person is in.


    Once again you fail to see the point. One last try: It is the degree of consequence that is relevant.

    I can't help but notice you ignored the long list of other occupations.

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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    The police should be held to a higher standard due to the power dynamics as I stated earlier, especially due to the fact that they have the power to take the life of a person. For that alone even, I think they should be held to a higher standard.
    They also are putting their life on the line and their persons at risk far more than the average citizen, even other public servants, are expected, much less required, to do. I personally think that entitles them to some extra power to manage that. I don't see why they must be held to a higher moral standard than a surgeon or pharmacist or HVAC guy or bus driver or any number of other professionals who also hold the well being and sometimes life or death of people that they serve every day that they do their jobs.
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    Re: To what standard should police be held?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So do we, including in our biggest city here in NH (Manchester).

    They get fired for on the job malfeasance, and off the job malfeasance.
    We just had one suspended and probably will be fired for dating a drug addict. She let her dealer in while the officer was not home and the dealer stole some of his guns, including his service weapon. I am sure if he "executed" someone in cold blood in the middle of the day, he would be fired by days end.

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