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Who's Going to Buy/Read Paul Ryan's New Book?

Will you read Paul Ryan's Book?


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Actually now that I realize the thread didn't say Rand Paul, I won't end up even bothering to read this or download it. If I want to hear rich people moan I'll turn on Fox News. Paul Ryan is a hack.

Ryan is not rich. He lives in a nice middle class neighborhood in Janesville wisconsin. He actually relies on his congressional pay check.

And he is no hack. I have a particular knowledge base on his vp candidacy and he practices what he preaches, and is an example to many of us that call ourselves family men
 
No, obama won because the young voters turned out. Young voters dont vote on economic issues.

Obama won because he got the most votes. To say that young people don't vote on economic issues is unbelievably condescending not to mention flat-out wrong.

NEW ROCK THE VOTE POLL: YOUNG VOTERS’ ELECTION ENERGY INTENSIFIES, SPURRED BY ECONOMIC CONCERNS AND DESIRE FOR CHANGE

18-29 YEAR OLD VOTERS WOULD CHOOSE BARACK OBAMA OVER JOHN MCCAIN IF THE ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY


Washington, DC - September 23, 2008
Rock the Vote’s latest poll of 18-29 year olds shows young voters are increasingly engaged in the upcoming presidential election, driven by concerns over the faltering economy and a sense that our country needs a new direction. Concern over the economy, while a top issue for young people since 2006, has intensified and is now the number one issue this election for nearly half (41%) of 18-29 year olds.

New Rock the Vote Poll: Young Voters
 
I've heard enough of his rambling to know what he's about. He's an Ayn Rand nut, a warmonger, a theocrat, and an establishment shill. Buying his book would only give him more money to push his insane economic/social/civil ideas.
 
Paul Ryan is mighty close to the top of my don't like list.

:shrug: apparently you don't know why, if you think he's the Ayn Randian in the Congress.
 
:shrug: apparently you don't know why, if you think he's the Ayn Randian in the Congress.

I think it's safe to say (at least, by his own account) that he was influenced by her governmental and fiscal views, but rejected her philosophy when it came to its relationship with theology.
 
I've heard enough of his rambling to know what he's about. He's an Ayn Rand nut, a warmonger, a theocrat, and an establishment shill.

All of which show a complex set of paradoxes with being associated with reading Ayn Rand literature, if you think about it. Rand would have obviously liked herself and her views, but would not be comfortable with a hawkish foreign policy, a member of the public service establishment, or influenced by Christian theology.
 
When his dad died, his family depended on these programs to make it. I'd say the caricature that he's the kind of person who looks down on (as he puts it) the majority of Americans who at one point or another in their lives need some form of assistance is very likely to be false. People tend not to denigrate their own history.
Well....LOGICALLY...they wouldn't....but then again we are talking about the Flim-flam man after all..




"Right now about 60 percent of the American people get more benefits in dollar value from the federal government than they pay back in taxes," Ryan said. "So we're going to a majority of takers versus makers in America and that will be tough to come back from that. They'll be dependent on the government for their livelihoods [rather] than themselves."


"...(D)o we go down the path the president is proposing -- a social welfare state, a cradle-to-the-grave society where we have more takers than makers."

Paul Ayn Ryan, ex-taker.
 
I've heard enough of his rambling to know what he's about. He's an Ayn Rand nut, a warmonger, a theocrat, and an establishment shill. Buying his book would only give him more money to push his insane economic/social/civil ideas.

Apparently this is the Left has chosen to tell it's followers in order to keep them from listening or (horribly) potentially listening for themselves.
 
Well....LOGICALLY...they wouldn't....but then again we are talking about the Flim-flam man after all..

"Right now about 60 percent of the American people get more benefits in dollar value from the federal government than they pay back in taxes," Ryan said. "So we're going to a majority of takers versus makers in America and that will be tough to come back from that. They'll be dependent on the government for their livelihoods [rather] than themselves."


"...(D)o we go down the path the president is proposing -- a social welfare state, a cradle-to-the-grave society where we have more takers than makers."

Paul Ayn Ryan, ex-taker.

Paul Ryan Repudiates ‘Makers and Takers’ Language

In a Wall Street Journal op-ed published last Friday, Representative Paul Ryan tells the story of attending a fair in 2012 in his hometown, Janesville, Wis. A man walked up to him.

“Hey, Paul,” he said, “I just need a minute. I’m from the Democrats’ tent, and I just wanted to come over here and give you a piece of my mind.”

He got up close and asked, “Who, exactly, are the takers?”​

Mr. Ryan reflected on this incident over time, and wrote this in Friday’s WSJ:

Even so, that day at the fair was the first time I really heard the way the phrase sounded. Later, I thought about that guy from the Democrats’ tent, and eventually I realized: He’s right.​

Mr. Ryan continues:

Who was a taker? My mom, who is on Medicare? Me at 18 years old, using the Social Security survivor’s benefits we got after my father’s death to go to college? My buddy who had been unemployed and used job-training benefits to get back on his feet?

The phrase gave insult where none was intended. People struggling and striving to get ahead—that’s what our country is all about. On that journey, they’re not “takers”; they’re trying to make something of themselves. We shouldn’t disparage that.

Of course, the phrase wasn’t just insensitive; it was also ineffective. The problem I was trying to describe wasn’t about our people; it’s a philosophy of government that erodes the American Idea.​


Feel free to check out the actual policy proposals.
 
Feel free to understand that his past language.....and current, rehashed past flim-flam, denigrates those "takers" since they are still targeted by the attempts to eliminate funding of the very social support he and his mother received. He and his mother were takers of services beyond SSSB, namely, SNAP.

He is a Congressional Randian, he is a hypocrite that denigrates the same group that he once was.

He does denigrate HIS OWN HISTORY, as you put it.

Feel free to rationalize your own missteps of support for your fellow traveler.
 
Feel free to understand that his past language.....and current, rehashed past flim-flam, denigrates those "takers" since they are still targeted by the attempts to eliminate funding of the very social support he and his mother received. He and his mother were takers of services beyond SSSB, namely, SNAP.

So.... no. You didn't bother to read.

Feel free to rationalize your own missteps of support for your fellow traveler.

We probably are. I've long been looking for better ways to actually help the poor.
 
So.... no. You didn't bother to read.
I can read very well, thank you very much, and I totally crushed your contention that he is not a Randian....and did not "denigrate" the very group he was once a part of.

I have read his continuing rehash of his past flim-flamming, you don't cut programs to the poor, cut taxes for the top earners, increase the debt at a greater level.....and expect a better outcome for the poor......unless you ARE a Randian.....which he is and proves again and again by rehashing debunked "proposals".....which we have debated time and again.


me said:
Feel free to rationalize your own missteps of support for your fellow traveler.
We probably are.
"We"? LOL! Since when did "your own" become plural?



I've long been looking for better ways to actually help the poor.
I know, and as I keep pointing out by showing you how wrong those ways are, I'm surprised that you keep going back to Bell Curves and Randian ideology.
 
Feel free to understand that his past language.....and current, rehashed past flim-flam, denigrates those "takers" since they are still targeted by the attempts to eliminate funding of the very social support he and his mother received. He and his mother were takers of services beyond SSSB, namely, SNAP.

He is a Congressional Randian, he is a hypocrite that denigrates the same group that he once was.

He does denigrate HIS OWN HISTORY, as you put it.

Feel free to rationalize your own missteps of support for your fellow traveler.

Restraint upon spending in order to preserve the safety net is not denigrating anyone.

It will happen. The boomers never had it so good as a result the millenials will never have it so bad.

Thats not my words, it was an article i once read but it contained harsh realities that democrats and old people refuse to see


Actually the article was linked in the book "the next america"
 
Restraint upon spending in order to preserve the safety net is not denigrating anyone.
Oooow...you missed it and created a straw argument. The denigration was calling recipients "takers".

Cutting social services...it not "preserving"....it is....cutting.....while enriching the wealthy....and....increasing the debt at greater rates.

Flim-flam.
 
Link to where ryan wanted to cut social services? Consolidation is not cutting


Flim flam flim flam pfft

Throughout the election, it was ryans position on social security and medicare that liberals lied about with granny going over the cliff.
 
Apparently this is the Left has chosen to tell it's followers in order to keep them from listening or (horribly) potentially listening for themselves.

I've listened to enough of Paul Ryan's propaganda to last me a lifetime. I know Ayn Rand, I know her philosophy, I used to be a objectivist myself. But I grew up.

Why should I have to spend my hard-earned money on his stupid book?
 
You dont have to buy the book, but you shouldnt speak as if you know his positions in issues if you dont read it first hand
 
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I've listened to enough of Paul Ryan's propaganda to last me a lifetime. I know Ayn Rand, I know her philosophy, I used to be a objectivist myself. But I grew up.

Why should I have to spend my hard-earned money on his stupid book?

you don't have to

Paul Ryan isn't an objectivist. For one thing, he's a theist.
 
I can read very well, thank you very much, and I totally crushed your contention that he is not a Randian..

:lol: you didn't even pretend to make the case that he was a Randian. Not once did you lay out the tenets of Objectivism and demonstrate Paul Ryan matching them, or even make the attempt. All you did was look up a quote about makers and takers, which even he said was put poorly because it didn't sound like what he was trying to say.

"We"? LOL! Since when did "your own" become plural?

See how you ended that sentence with "fellow traveler"? ;)

I know, and as I keep pointing out by showing you how wrong those ways are, I'm surprised that you keep going back to Bell Curves and Randian ideology.

:roll: I am not and have never been a Randian, your inability to even understand what those whom you disagree with are actually saying doesn't speak well of the rigor you utilized in coming to your own conclusions.
 
Oh for crying out loud. Block granting and then setting a growth rate is not the same as slashing. :roll: Even your source predicts a reduction in the numbers on SNAP.
Um, block grants allow states to cut SNAP spending, and this goes beyond declining rolls. Try reading the article next time.
 
Ryan and others can see that changes to entitlements must be made or they will cease to exist. He is merely wanting to have the uncomfortable conversation regarding how the g can say no to some things.

Its coming folks, the boomers are retiring and the mellinials are failing to launch professionally and socially.

Who will pay for the entitlement generation?




Anyone and everyone who has cash which the U.S. government can re-distribute.

"Better days are coming." But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP




"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." ~ John Stuart Mill
 
:lol: you didn't even pretend to make the case that he was a Randian. Not once did you lay out the tenets of Objectivism and demonstrate Paul Ryan matching them, or even make the attempt. All you did was look up a quote about makers and takers, which even he said was put poorly because it didn't sound like what he was trying to say.
Nice try, but this is a common technique you use from time to time called "ignore the applicable post and wait for it to be buried". For your enjoyment, I'll repost the horse and his words:





See how you ended that sentence with "fellow traveler"? ;)
.....while you ignored the whole statement, emphasis on the subject:

"Feel free to rationalize your own missteps of support for your fellow traveler."



:roll: I am not and have never been a Randian, your inability to even understand what those whom you disagree with are actually saying doesn't speak well of the rigor you utilized in coming to your own conclusions.
LOL, you don't deny the Bell Curving (how could you!)....and the continual defending of Ayn Ryan is... walking like the duck.

QUACK!
 
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