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    Re: Who's Going to Buy/Read Paul Ryan's New Book?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No, trust me, I had. Just after the intense travel, I cut back and have been trying to get healthy again, mixed with research and writing.



    Kraut's book seems to be a collection of writings, correct? In that case, for about 20 years now, the default assumption was that you would read Irving Kristol's first collection "Neoconservatism: Autobiography of an Idea" (more recently, the second collection entitled "The Neoconservative Persuasion"). I would also suggest digging back through Daniel Patrick Moynihan's "Miles to Go" and "The Norman Podhoretz Reader."

    With regard to Paul Ryan's poverty plan, Daniel Patrick Moynihan would once again be of interest. His "Maximum Feasible Misunderstanding: Community Action in the War on Poverty" and "The Politics of a Guaranteed Income: The Nixon Administration and the Family Assistance Plan" and the "Miles to Go" text would be an interesting sparring session.
    All that my be a bit too much NeoCon for me to stomach..,

    Yes, "Things That Matter" essentially could be read like a compilation of essays, if you open up to a chapter in the middle, you're not going to miss anything, each one kinda stands alone while the different parts of the book being divided into different themes.

    As poverty plans and all of that is concerned I try to find key ingredients which are relevant and realistic. Ryan has a tendency to eschew the latter at times, but hopefully the book will give a better "feel" for what his vision is than a policy paper.

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    Re: Who's Going to Buy/Read Paul Ryan's New Book?

    Paul Ryan is one of the few Congressmen or Senators who has a complete grasp on the budget.
    I don't always agree with his priorities, but am glad he's taking over Ways and Means from the retiring Dave Camp.
    He knows how tough it will be from his own side of the aisle.

    His agreement with Sen. Murray last December took months of secret negotiations because of D.C. leaks.
    At that, neo-cons from both parties are preventing a solution to the Veteran's pension and sabotaged several billion in savings .
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    Re: Who's Going to Buy/Read Paul Ryan's New Book?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I tend to agree, (minus the religious bashing BS of course)but I always want to give them an ear, if for no other reason than to know what to expect and see precisely where they went wrong.
    No, the religion is one major reason why the Republican Party is such a disaster. They clearly have no interest in representing the American people as a whole, only those with a particular religious bent. Of course, someone like Ryan, he doesn't think that there's anything wrong with the Republican Party, except maybe that they're not quite religious enough, although as a Catholic and not a fundamentalist Protestant, I might give him the benefit of the doubt.

    We all know where they went wrong, unfortunately, they have no interest in fixing it.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Who's Going to Buy/Read Paul Ryan's New Book?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, the religion is one major reason why the Republican Party is such a disaster. They clearly have no interest in representing the American people as a whole, only those with a particular religious bent. Of course, someone like Ryan, he doesn't think that there's anything wrong with the Republican Party, except maybe that they're not quite religious enough, although as a Catholic and not a fundamentalist Protestant, I might give him the benefit of the doubt.

    We all know where they went wrong, unfortunately, they have no interest in fixing it.
    Rubbish. The reason the GOP is in such disarray is their economic policies. Obama and the like didn't get elected because gays weren't allowed to marry or that abortion is an abomination they lost because of their support and their policies which on the surface seem fair and balanced, are great in theory, but at root only help the upper class and rich. The bailout of corporations, the idea that corporations are people all that BS, THAT is what cost them because THAT crap is what sent the middle, the independents, the fence sitters running full steam to the Left.

    It is completely fallacious to think that the GOP's problem, that the reason why they're in disarray is due to cultural and social issues.

    It's -- to quote Carville -- "the economy, stupid."

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    Re: Who's Going to Buy/Read Paul Ryan's New Book?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Rubbish. The reason the GOP is in such disarray is their economic policies. Obama and the like didn't get elected because gays weren't allowed to marry or that abortion is an abomination they lost because of their support and their policies which on the surface seem fair and balanced, are great in theory, but at root only help the upper class and rich. The bailout of corporations, the idea that corporations are people all that BS, THAT is what cost them because THAT crap is what sent the middle, the independents, the fence sitters running full steam to the Left.

    It is completely fallacious to think that the GOP's problem, that the reason why they're in disarray is due to cultural and social issues.

    It's -- to quote Carville -- "the economy, stupid."
    The Republicans are just as fiscally liberal as the Democrats are. Obama got elected, at least the first time around, because he was black. Obama hasn't done a damn thing to fix the economy, nor will he. We need someone in office who is actually fiscally conservative, but that doesn't describe either the Republicans or the Democrats these days. Both of them are pretty much liberals with baggage.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Who's Going to Buy/Read Paul Ryan's New Book?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The Republicans are just as fiscally liberal as the Democrats are. Obama got elected, at least the first time around, because he was black. Obama hasn't done a damn thing to fix the economy, nor will he. We need someone in office who is actually fiscally conservative, but that doesn't describe either the Republicans or the Democrats these days. Both of them are pretty much liberals with baggage.
    You're confusing reality with perception. He got the Dem Candidacy because he was black. After the Bush travesty it was a given that the Dems would be in the WH. I voted for Obama in 08, but I was voting against McCain, not for Obama. They didn't know that when they voted for him, did they? And then you got McMillionaire talking of 49 or 51% or whatever the hell that was in a time where a great majority of Americans are in squalor, of course he was gonna get re-elected.

    To the rest -- Yes, I agree.

    I agree and have been saying for years, they're two sides to the same coin.

    As it is, it's what we got. So, as an electorate we have to outsmart the buggards and put into place the right combination of people this means they can be far left, far right, moderate, Estab, Corp Dem, et al, individually but when forced together, they might just do some good in spite of themselves.

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    Re: Who's Going to Buy/Read Paul Ryan's New Book?

    I will download it for free off the world wide web when somebody who paid for it makes it free.

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    Re: Who's Going to Buy/Read Paul Ryan's New Book?

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    I don't read anything by any politician who is in public office at the time. Now that I think of it, my reading list has never included even a politician who has retired.

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    Re: Who's Going to Buy/Read Paul Ryan's New Book?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I will download it for free off the world wide web when somebody who paid for it makes it free.
    I applaud your staunch fiscal conservatism, Mr. Cheapskate.
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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    Re: Who's Going to Buy/Read Paul Ryan's New Book?

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    I applaud your staunch fiscal conservatism, Mr. Cheapskate.
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