View Poll Results: Do you believe in global warming, and if so, what is causing it.

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  • I believe in global warming, and that it is caused by man.

    28 49.12%
  • I believe in global warming, but I don't think humankind has anything to do with it.

    7 12.28%
  • I don't believe in global warming.

    5 8.77%
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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    "Proven false. ROTFLMMFAO. You are really struggling again. Don't relook at what you wrote, you will have nightmares.
    You sound desperate. When people write in capitals halfways through a sentence, it's a sign of anxiety and stress. Look, you made an uneducated statement. You claimed weather has only been recorded since 1914. That's not only patently false, it's laughable. First of all, instrumental recording of weather patterns has been around for 160 years. That alone makes your statement false. Second, it would mean that somehow, without records of any sort, humans had to memorize for centuries weather patterns for things like agriculture, herding and hunting. Are you serious about this discussion or are you trying to parody what uneducated buffoons sound like when discussing GW?
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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    Well, we might not know what the weather was like in the past exactly, but we have a pretty good handle on the climate. And for those of you who don't 'believe' that man may be responsible for the vast majority of the present warming spike, you might want to reconsider your position as more religious than scientific.



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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You sound desperate. When people write in capitals halfways through a sentence, it's a sign of anxiety and stress. Look, you made an uneducated statement. You claimed weather has only been recorded since 1914. That's not only patently false, it's laughable. First of all, instrumental recording of weather patterns has been around for 160 years. That alone makes your statement false. Second, it would mean that somehow, without records of any sort, humans had to memorize for centuries weather patterns for things like agriculture, herding and hunting. Are you serious about this discussion or are you trying to parody what uneducated buffoons sound like when discussing GW?
    Hey Struggler, you ever going to answer the question of your claim of recorded global warming 2500 years ago and who man blamed for that. Since you are so smart how about explaining who was to blame for all the ice ages.

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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    Hey Struggler, you ever going to answer the question of your claim of recorded global warming 2500 years ago
    Really... I claimed that there was recorded global warming 2500 years ago? Where? What is the post number? K thanks.
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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    I would have chosen the first answer (I believe global warming is happening and that human beings are causing it) but for how it was worded. I believe that human beings contribute to global warming, and that the current warming trend is more severe than it otherwise would be (note that this is not the same as saying that the current trend is completely without precedent) due to human activity.

    Climate change is something of a distraction from a much more major issue: environmental destruction. There's no question that rain forests are disappearing, that the oceans have been fished out, that bee colonies are dying, that temperate forests are dying, that droughts are increasing, and so on. And there's no question that human beings are almost entirely responsible for these occurrences.

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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    I would have chosen the first answer (I believe global warming is happening and that human beings are causing it) but for how it was worded. I believe that human beings contribute to global warming, and that the current warming trend is more severe than it otherwise would be (note that this is not the same as saying that the current trend is completely without precedent) due to human activity.

    Climate change is something of a distraction from a much more major issue: environmental destruction. There's no question that rain forests are disappearing, that the oceans have been fished out, that bee colonies are dying, that temperate forests are dying, that droughts are increasing, and so on. And there's no question that human beings are almost entirely responsible for these occurrences.
    Yer wrong! The rain forests are disappearing because they naturally disappear by 50% or more every century. Now excuse me while I light a cigarette with a match made from baoba.
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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    Yeah. I, ah, put up a stop sign in the front yard in an attempt to mitigate any adverse events that might occur climate wise. It may be more effective than any mitigation otherwise proposed. In the end, I believe I don't care.

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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    As far as the thread goes, I don't believe in global warming. Believing is something people who don't care about facts do. I've read the documents made by scientists all over the world. Examined the facts provided and have aligned myself with the group of people who acknowledge that global warming is a fact. As far as whether man is causing it or not, you have to take a look around you and consider whether a few hundred million CO2 producing chimneys wouldn't in any way harm the environment.
    Right, it's not about "belief" or "faith", it's about understanding and not dismissing natural occurrences because of religious or political affilliation. It's more about being objective and open mindedness....

    Which is difficult for many to do it seems.
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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    I think the question should be refined somewhat.
    The globe warms and cools, no one contests that.
    CO2 is a greenhouse gas and has a somewhat accepted direct response.
    Human activity has caused the CO2 levels to increase, (% of increase from Human activity? unknown)
    Perhaps the question should be,
    Is the addition amplification of the direct response warming as defined by the IPCC occurring?
    But this is not a believe question, but a data one.
    If we go by Hanson's GISS data, we have warmed .8 C in the last 133 years.
    The IPCC's direct response for CO2 number is 1.2 C for a doubling of CO2,
    which means our current level of CO2 should produce .6 C of warming.
    If there is any additional amplification from direct response increase,
    it would have to be within the .2 C, of unaccounted for warming.
    Let's see how the empirical data stacks up to the IPCC predictions.
    The IPCC predicted the temperature increase from doubling CO2 levels
    would be between 1.5 and 4.5 C.
    At roughly half way through the effects of doubling CO2, we are at .8 C.
    If we could complete the doubling, the observed data shows we would net out just under
    1.6 C of warming over 200 years.
    (NOTE: CO2 level at 401 ppm, results in 51% of the effects of doubling CO2)
    4*log(560)-4*log(401)= .580, 1.2 C -.580 C= .62 C= 51.6%

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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I think the question should be refined somewhat.
    The globe warms and cools, no one contests that.
    CO2 is a greenhouse gas and has a somewhat accepted direct response.
    Human activity has caused the CO2 levels to increase, (% of increase from Human activity? unknown)
    Perhaps the question should be,
    Is the addition amplification of the direct response warming as defined by the IPCC occurring?
    But this is not a believe question, but a data one.
    If we go by Hanson's GISS data, we have warmed .8 C in the last 133 years.
    The IPCC's direct response for CO2 number is 1.2 C for a doubling of CO2,
    which means our current level of CO2 should produce .6 C of warming.
    If there is any additional amplification from direct response increase,
    it would have to be within the .2 C, of unaccounted for warming.
    Let's see how the empirical data stacks up to the IPCC predictions.
    The IPCC predicted the temperature increase from doubling CO2 levels
    would be between 1.5 and 4.5 C.
    At roughly half way through the effects of doubling CO2, we are at .8 C.
    If we could complete the doubling, the observed data shows we would net out just under
    1.6 C of warming over 200 years.
    (NOTE: CO2 level at 401 ppm, results in 51% of the effects of doubling CO2)
    4*log(560)-4*log(401)= .580, 1.2 C -.580 C= .62 C= 51.6%
    I don't agree with everything posted here (mostly because I haven't slept - been working all night and I'm grumpy) but I do thank you for this post. It's the first attempt by a right winger other than Cephus to at a minimum consider that humans may be contributing to GW.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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