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  • I believe in global warming, and that it is caused by man.

    28 49.12%
  • I believe in global warming, but I don't think humankind has anything to do with it.

    7 12.28%
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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    We got some serious global warming going on here from the humidity rising after the climate change of rain just occurred. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You think that global warming is the doom that most make it out to be? Really?
    For those people that live in the zones that would be effected by a 5-9 meter raise in ocean levels... yes. That is a quarter of the worlds populations. Besides the economic factors involved, try relocating 1.8 billion people.
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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
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    10 year increments over 100,000 years is asking a bit much don't you think? That image should suffice.
    Ice core data.... Accurate to within a couple of centuries. What we're being told is that the rate of increase over a few decades is unprecedented, yet the best tool we have for analyzing historical data is something that has an accuracy of around 200-300 years. Try again, this simply doesn't cut it.

    Also, your graph leaves out H2O, which is by orders of magnitude the most influential GG there is. Every bit of impact that all other GG gases have gets lost in the annual natural variation of this most important (and ignored) GG gas there is.
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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    The earth has been warming since the last ice age. Does mankind contribute? Incomplete data, politicization of global warming, false data and fear mongers make it impossible for someone to actually get an idea of how much, if any, mankind contributes.

    Ice reflects more solar energy than does water which reflects back more than bare earth which absorbs energy and emits it back to the atmosphere. More land and water exposed, more energy not reflected to space.

    Inconsistent output of the sun. It goes in cycles with some cycles more intense than others.

    Heating due to gravitational forces. Both Jupiter and Saturn have moons with liquids but do not receive enough energy from the sun. It is caused by gravitational forces acting upon them. We have that large body, the moon (Luna) which just recently made it's closest pass to the earth and is no moving back outwards from the earth and we have gravitational force from the sun itself.

    Terra also has a molten core which is not always constant.

    Some scientist say that, until recently, Terra's rotation speed has been slowing over a very long period. Some even claim that data show we once only had 16 hr days, not 24 hr ones.

    Axial tilt also play a role in how much Sol's energy reaches and is absorbed by land mass.

    Amount of cloud cover also plays a role. Some scientist say this can be affected by cosmic radiation as well as solar radiations.

    Ozone layer plays another role. However, man made emissions causing ozone reduction has been debunked, some still believe it. The ozone layer and how much there is of it is a factor of interaction of the Oxygen and certain radiations from the sun.

    Two things that mankind definitely has a hand in:

    The amount of plant life also affects the heat in the atmosphere. (this will also affect CO2 levels as plants just love the stuff)

    Who knows how many acres of asphalt and concrete now exist on earth? They absorb radiation and give back heat at a different rate than soil and rock.

    So, until scientist put all those factors together and others I am sure I don't know about and then can account for every erg of energy from every source, to blame mankind for any significant amount of contribution to the process is just junk science and non-sense.
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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    That graph was pulled directly off the GISS website. And its not the land-ocean temperature index.
    And the most appropriate measure for looking at variable data over the long term is a moving average.


    Why would you try to compare the CO2 forcing in air with land/ocean temperature index??? Dont you know that water absorbs heat energy and does not warm as fast as air? Well, real scientists do understand that. Its called heat capacity. Look it up. I'd recommend a basic chemistry textbook - junior high level would be fine.

    Why dont you leave the science to the big boys and try to absorb what they are telling you without silly critiques?
    Perhaps a better question would be why would you select the second graph on your own linked page?
    When the top graph is what the GISS calls the "Global Land-Ocean Temperature index" I.E. the Average global temperature.
    Your posted graph is of only the Meteorological stations,(as stated in the title).
    The topic is Global Warming, shouldn't we look at Global temperatures?

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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Perhaps a better question would be why would you select the second graph on your own linked page?
    When the top graph is what the GISS calls the "Global Land-Ocean Temperature index" I.E. the Average global temperature.
    Your posted graph is of only the Meteorological stations,(as stated in the title).
    The topic is Global Warming, shouldn't we look at Global temperatures?
    Sure. But you were discussing CO2 forcing and temperature, which is specifically about AIR temperatures. Somehow, you used data that looks at oceans, and pretended you're little calculation was relevant based on that data.

    That's either evidence of incompetence or deliberate deception.

    Either way, it looks pretty clear. No matter how you measure it, warming is very very real.
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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Sure. But you were discussing CO2 forcing and temperature, which is specifically about AIR temperatures. Somehow, you used data that looks at oceans, and pretended you're little calculation was relevant based on that data.

    That's either evidence of incompetence or deliberate deception.

    Either way, it looks pretty clear. No matter how you measure it, warming is very very real.
    It is the air temperature over the land and ocean averaged.
    You are the one who selected a truncated graph of only Meteorological stations.
    This is the title from the more complete set,
    Global Annual Mean Surface Air Temperature Change

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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    It is the air temperature over the land and ocean averaged.
    You are the one who selected a truncated graph of only Meteorological stations.
    This is the title from the more complete set,
    Which reflects water temperatures.

    It's like pretending global warming doesn't exist because you can always go out on a boat and it will be cool 1/2 mile off shore!

    You are pretending that your little calculation can ignore the giant heat sink of the ocean.
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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Which reflects water temperatures.

    It's like pretending global warming doesn't exist because you can always go out on a boat and it will be cool 1/2 mile off shore!

    You are pretending that your little calculation can ignore the giant heat sink of the ocean.
    Or you pretending that the world is not 70% ocean.

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    Re: Do you believe in global warming, and If so, what is causing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Or you pretending that the world is not 70% ocean.
    Like I said....you are the one pretending that the world is not 70% ocean with the fake math 'analysis'.

    Heat is being trapped on the earth. Only part of it is manifesting as air temperature rise. A whole lot is going to the very energy intensive step of changing water to a different phase- ice to water, water to water vapor.
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