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    17 15.45%
  • Police injustice

    23 20.91%
  • Cultural differences

    12 10.91%
  • Class Warfare

    13 11.82%
  • Crazy people

    50 45.45%
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    31 28.18%
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    Ferguson

    This is one of the most well written and sobering op-ed pieces I've read by a celebrity. I only posted the parts that seemed relevant before it got tl;dr.

    It's not that we don't want to get it right, it's that we don't know how to frame the problem correctly, due to certain unsavory aspects about our society that could lead to a solution.

    This is also endemic of a wider problem with the displeasure of the current governing system, similar to the civil protests and counter-culture of the 1960's. These situations could continue to spread and become more common (hope not), as the class/race/cultural distinctions become more disparaging.




    Ferguson is not just about systemic racism — it's about class warfare, and how America's poor are held back. Will the recent rioting in Ferguson, Missouri, be a tipping point in the struggle against racial injustice, or will it be a minor footnote in the future?

    And, unless we want the Ferguson atrocity to also be swallowed and become nothing more than an intestinal irritant to history, we have to address the situation not just as another act of systemic racism, but as what else it is: class warfare. By focusing on just the racial aspect, the discussion becomes about whether Michael Brown’s death—or that of the other three unarmed black men who were killed by police in the U.S. within that month—is about discrimination or about police justification. Then we’ll argue about whether there isn’t just as much black-against-white racism in the U.S. as there is white-against-black. (Yes, there is. But, in general, white-against-black economically impacts the future of the black community. Black-against-white has almost no measurable social impact.)

    This fist-shaking of everyone’s racial agenda distracts America from the larger issue that the targets of police overreaction are based less on skin color and more on an even worse Ebola-level affliction: being poor. Of course, to many in America, being a person of color is synonymous with being poor, and being poor is synonymous with being a criminal. Yes, I’m aware that it is unfair to paint the wealthiest with such broad strokes. There are a number of super-rich people who are also super-supportive of their community. Humbled by their own success, they reach out to help others. But that’s not the case with the multitude of millionaires and billionaires who lobby to reduce Food Stamps, give no relief to the burden of student debt on our young, and kill extensions of unemployment benefits. With each of these shootings/chokehold deaths/stand-your-ground atrocities, police and the judicial system are seen as enforcers of an unjust status quo. Our anger rises, and riots demanding justice ensue. The news channels interview everyone and pundits assign blame. Then what?

    By Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

    Ferguson: The Coming Race War Won


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    Re: Ferguson

    Good job, Cap.

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    Re: Ferguson

    I voted for both police injustice and crazy people. Because it is both. The shooting was clearly unjustified and people started protesting (rightfully so IMO). Then they got crazy about it and decided shoving TVs down their pants was a good way to get rid of police brutality.

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    Re: Ferguson

    Ferguson is just another chance for race baiters to bang the drum and celebrate a blood orgy. When the dust has settled, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, and yes, even Lew Alcindor will crawl back into their sewers and wait for the next tragedy to exploit. What they WILL NJOT DO is aggressively work to change circumstance. They will not aggressively move to change attitude and behaviors. They will not clamor for personal responsibility and real growth, real hope, and real change. Ferguson is a pimple.

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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I voted for both police injustice and crazy people. Because it is both. The shooting was clearly unjustified
    and people started protesting (rightfully so IMO). Then they got crazy about it and decided shoving TVs down their pants was a good way to get rid of police brutality.
    How was the shooting clearly unjustified?
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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I voted for both police injustice and crazy people. Because it is both. The shooting was clearly unjustified and people started protesting (rightfully so IMO). Then they got crazy about it and decided shoving TVs down their pants was a good way to get rid of police brutality.
    From the known limited evidence, the shooting was justified.

    Brown attacked an Officer while he was still in his vehicle and tried to take his gun. That is a life threatening situation.
    The Officer received injuries to his face that required hospitalization from this attack.
    Then as it escalated, Brown already having shown he was violent, progressed towards the Officer. The hearsay evidence puts that progression as a charge.
    In such cases, of course use of his firearm is appropriate and justified.
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    Re: Ferguson

    Here we go again. It seems that we will never be able to get away from playing the victim card. I could write pages and pages on why the black community can no longer legitimatly play the victim card but I will spare my fingers and my brain the effort. It's late and I am tired. All I will say is there has got to come a time where playing victim is no longer a legitimate defense to defending a violent culture.
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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Here we go again. It seems that we will never be able to get away from playing the victim card. I could write pages and pages on why the black community can no longer legitimatly play the victim card
    Nothing will stop it from being played.
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    Re: Ferguson

    All bullets hit brown in the front of his body including his arm. This blows away the narrative of the BS eye witness who said Brown had his hands up and was shot in the back. We also have the evidence of the man giving a police report who said Brown turned and went toward the cop.

    So all these people with their symbolic hands in the air saying "Hands up, don't shoot" and all their signs reflecting the same are all based on a lie. The entire protest is based on a lie by an accessory to a crime and a proven liar.

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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Here we go again. It seems that we will never be able to get away from playing the victim card. I could write pages and pages on why the black community can no longer legitimatly play the victim card but I will spare my fingers and my brain the effort. It's late and I am tired. All I will say is there has got to come a time where playing victim is no longer a legitimate defense to defending a violent culture.
    The victim card will be played as long as it's played in place of personal responsibility. It's a lot easier to blame someone else than to be accountable for your own actions.
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