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Ferguson

Is Ferguson about...

  • Racism

    Votes: 16 19.5%

  • Police injustice

    Votes: 22 26.8%

  • Cultural differences

    Votes: 12 14.6%

  • Class Warfare

    Votes: 12 14.6%

  • Crazy people

    Votes: 26 31.7%

  • All the above

    Votes: 29 35.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 16 19.5%
  • Total voters
    82
Superfly said:
Do you know anything about law enforcement at all? I mean, other than what you have seen on TV?
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Yes. I know that although the TV popularizes law enforcement often as the good guys, they often are not.

Semantics. He is here at the request of the family. Whether or not he is being paid is irrelevant.
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Not semantics. He is not being paid. You are the one who brought up pay in the first place. Now you say pay is irrelevant because it no longer supports your argument. That is dishonest, and you are changing the goalposts.
 
Lakryte said:
It is an assumption the officer is telling the truth and all the other witnesses are lying. Perhaps you are feeble minded enough to believe everything the government says. Enjoy your 1983 mindset, but some of us are not as easily spoon-fed.
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If you're honest with yourself, which is most likely to lie, the officer or the suspect? You're obviously a big TV watcher, have you ever seen the suspect on COPS reality shows tell the truth to officers right from the getgo? EVER? And that Bait Car show, the stories those folks tell and that when they know they've been filmed the entire time and they still lie like rugs.
 
Lakryte said:
Yes. I know that although the TV popularizes law enforcement often as the good guys, they often are not.
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Actually, it's the other way around. It's a rare cop show on TV that doesn't have a bunch of "dirty" cops.

Lakryte said:
Not semantics. He is not being paid. You are the one who brought up pay in the first place. Now you say pay is irrelevant because it no longer supports your argument. That is dishonest, and you are changing the goalposts.
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Prove this, because I do not believe it. I've already posted why.
 
Lakryte said:
It is an assumption the officer is telling the truth and all the other witnesses are lying. Perhaps you are feeble minded enough to believe everything the government says. Enjoy your 1983 mindset, but some of us are not as easily spoon-fed.
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you mean your 1948 mind set...
 
Wiggen said:
Thanks. With folks like you around, I always keep it handy.

PS I can always depend on the Far Right to play the 'race card' race card. Good to know that there are some constants left in this ever-changing world.
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Considering all you have done is pissed yourself about his name and ignored the facts about what the race baiting charlatans have done now and every other time (just as you ignore the actual problems), I would so your opinion and standing ranks right up there with Al Sharptons. Of COURSE you have to use the race card. Its all you have.

:lamo
 
clownboy said:
Considering it's your goto card it shouldn't surprise you at all that you get the same reaction to it over and over again. It's that whole definition of insanity thing all over again.
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And we can count on you to cry race card every time racism is pointed out. The effectiveness of that particular tactic is starting to wear out. Do you still refer to Muhammad Ali as Cassius Clay? That's so cute. How about Kareem - Is he still Lew Alcindor to you, too? :lamo
 
VanceMack said:
Considering all you have done is pissed yourself about his name and ignored the facts about what the race baiting charlatans have done now and every other time (just as you ignore the actual problems), I would so your opinion and standing ranks right up there with Al Sharptons. Of COURSE you have to use the race card. Its all you have.

:lamo
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Let's see - you call Kareem Lew Alcindor and I'm playing the race card? Hilarious. Your use of a name he chose to abandon speaks volumes about you and your attitude towards race.
 
clownboy said:
If you're honest with yourself, which is most likely to lie, the officer or the suspect? You're obviously a big TV watcher, have you ever seen the suspect on COPS reality shows tell the truth to officers right from the getgo? EVER? And that Bait Car show, the stories those folks tell and that when they know they've been filmed the entire time and they still lie like rugs.
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Cops lie every day to protect other cops. It's part of the Blue Code, which they learn in cop school.
 
Yes, I missed the "s" at the end of "narrative". So string me up by the balls and tickle my ass with a feather.

I said in another thread that the evidence supports more than one narrative and if you want to you can see that the timestamp was before I said it this time without the "s".



Lakryte said:
You commented that you are just saying what narrative the evidence support. Now you are backpeddling and saying "actually I meant what narratives the evidence supports." It is clear that you are biased to support the police, and rather than say right off the bat the evidence could support either scenario, you had to be nudged to finally admitting that. Since I agree with the above post (that the evidence does not prove one narrative any truer than the other) there is no reason to continue this discussion.
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Wiggen said:
And we can count on you to cry race card every time racism is pointed out. The effectiveness of that particular tactic is starting to wear out. Do you still refer to Muhammad Ali as Cassius Clay? That's so cute. How about Kareem - Is he still Lew Alcindor to you, too? :lamo
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Wow, get called on the race card so instead of seeing the light you double down. I've always called Ali "Ali", except back in the early days of his name change. I thought the name change was silly back then, but hey, to each his own. And I didn't know until this thread that Kareem wasn't born with the name. So swing and a huge miss, didn't even hit the barn.

Of course I don't follow boxing or basketball. Both seem a bit silly to me.

Isn't John Wayne's real name Marion? Calling him Marion, would that cause the race card to drop too?
 
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Wiggen said:
Cops lie every day to protect other cops. It's part of the Blue Code, which they learn in cop school.
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Where'd you get that from, let me guess, TV right? Most of my family are cops of one sort or the other. None in the big cities mind you and all out in the West, but not really a thing out here. Maybe LA, or so the TV shows say. Don't know, don't know any LA cops.
 
Lakryte said:
No I didn't. Here was what you first responded to that I said "The shooting someone 6 times is the problem, not the age." I said shooting someone 6 times is the problem. In the post you just quoted, I gave the reason for my original claim--"shooting someone 6 times is generally unacceptable."

Where is the backpeddling?
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That you do not accept that you have no idea how many shots were necessary to stop any (alleged) threat by Brown and even so, still declare they were unecessary force.
 
Lakryte said:
No I'm not. I guarantee the amount of bullets fired will be considered in determining whether or not the actions of the officer were justified. The first shot may have been. Even the second. But 6? That is much shakier ground.
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And if Brown kept (allegedly) charging after the first bullet hit? How about after the 2nd? The third? Forth? Fifth?
 
Wiggen said:
Let's see - you call Kareem Lew Alcindor and I'm playing the race card? Hilarious. Your use of a name he chose to abandon speaks volumes about you and your attitude towards race.
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Cat Stevens is white and he changed his name to "Yusuf Islam", but I still call him Cat Stevens. Am I a racist?
 
tres borrachos said:
Cat Stevens is white and he changed his name to "Yusuf Islam", but I still call him Cat Stevens. Am I a racist?
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Yes.


j/k... did he really? I do the same with Ron Artest who changed his name to Meta World Peace. How stupid is that name? :lol:
 
Bodhisattva said:
Yes.


j/k... did he really? I do the same with Ron Artest who changed his name to Meta World Peace. How stupid is that name? :lol:
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He really did. Not kidding. Yes, I also call Artest "Artest". I'd call him that anyway since he only did this a few years back, but I refuse to call him "Metta World Peace" anyway just based on the fact that it's a stupid name.
 
clownboy said:
Where'd you get that from, let me guess, TV right? Most of my family are cops of one sort or the other. None in the big cities mind you and all out in the West, but not really a thing out here. Maybe LA, or so the TV shows say. Don't know, don't know any LA cops.
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It's why they have an internal affairs division, not that it does any good. Any cop who refused to lie for his partner would be ostracized and soon either dead or out of a job. Especially in a situation like this.
 
Wiggen said:
I don't know, are you?
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Does it matter? You can always call her one when you can't otherwise make a cogent argument, you've demonstrated that ability.
 
clownboy said:
Where'd you get that from, let me guess, TV right? Most of my family are cops of one sort or the other. None in the big cities mind you and all out in the West, but not really a thing out here. Maybe LA, or so the TV shows say. Don't know, don't know any LA cops.
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There was a really groovy movie about it...

Internal Affairs (1990) - IMDb

The best one was Kurt Russell in Dark Blue:

Dark Blue (2002) - IMDb
 
Wiggen said:
Any cop who refused to lie for his partner would be ostracized and soon either dead or out of a job. Especially in a situation like this.
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You just watched Serpico... huh?
 
Wiggen said:
It's why they have an internal affairs division, not that it does any good. Any cop who refused to lie for his partner would be ostracized and soon either dead or out of a job. Especially in a situation like this.
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And you saw that on which TV show?
 
tres borrachos said:
He really did. Not kidding. Yes, I also call Artest "Artest". I'd call him that anyway since he only did this a few years back, but I refuse to call him "Metta World Peace" anyway just based on the fact that it's a stupid name.
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As a Lakers fan who didn't pay attention to the name change initially, I was really confused on who World Peace was in the context of the commentators discussion. :lol:
 
The one thing this shooting shows is that as much as people want to believe that we are all innocent until proven guilty, we'd rather let our biases rule our judgement instead of letting facts rule them.
 
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