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Ferguson

Is Ferguson about...

  • Racism

    Votes: 16 19.5%

  • Police injustice

    Votes: 22 26.8%

  • Cultural differences

    Votes: 12 14.6%

  • Class Warfare

    Votes: 12 14.6%

  • Crazy people

    Votes: 26 31.7%

  • All the above

    Votes: 29 35.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 16 19.5%
  • Total voters
    82
opendebate said:
I do, No it is not irrelevant. If you choose to allow yourself to be distracted by "how" people choose to protest you are loosing sight of the real problem and indirectly appear to be judging the validity of their outrage
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I have no idea what you are on about because I am not distracted by "how" the people choose to protest but "when" they choose to protest... if people are rioting and you want to protest peacefully, and the police tell you to disperse and go home because they are trying to calm things down and you refuse to leave, expect your protest to be treated as potential rioters. If you don't want that then disperse and demonstrate peacefully in a new area with the police notified so that they can differentiate between you and the criminals. You are loosing sight of the real problem and that is the ability of the people to voice their protest in a peaceful demonstration. Instead you are conflating two separate issues...
 
opendebate said:
I do.

No it is not irrelevant. If you choose to allow yourself to be distracted by "how" people choose to protest you are loosing sight of the real problem and indirectly appear to be judging the validity of their outrage
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No matter the validity of their outrage, the way they express it does matter. If they are only reacting out of rage, and not doing anything to reasonably resolve their grievances, then they will just live in a stage of perpetual rage.
 
lizzie said:
No matter the validity of their outrage, the way they express it does matter. If they are only reacting out of rage, and not doing anything to reasonably resolve their grievances, then they will just live in a stage of perpetual rage.
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As individuals, yes. But collectively it's my guess that noone would be judging the quality or orderliness of how they chose to express their outrage unless they doubted the validity of what their outrage was about in the first place.
 
NoC_T said:
But for the fact that said debacle suffices as an excuse, in the minds of the looters. I don't believe for one second that they're emotionally invested, much less ideologically motivated.
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protesting the police-legitimate expression of our rights as citizens

public display of support for the police-same as above

looting and rioting-you need to be shot RIGHT NOW
 
grip said:
This is one of the most well written and sobering op-ed pieces I've read by a celebrity. I only posted the parts that seemed relevant before it got tl;dr.

It's not that we don't want to get it right, it's that we don't know how to frame the problem correctly, due to certain unsavory aspects about our society that could lead to a solution.

This is also endemic of a wider problem with the displeasure of the current governing system, similar to the civil protests and counter-culture of the 1960's. These situations could continue to spread and become more common (hope not), as the class/race/cultural distinctions become more disparaging.








ps. If I don't respond, it's because my PC is down and I'm on an old laptop that barely functions.
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More than anything else it's about tribalism, an innate attribute of human behavior. It's about other things too but mostly tribalism.
 
opendebate said:
As individuals, yes. But collectively it's my guess that noone would be judging the quality or orderliness of how they chose to express their outrage unless they doubted the validity of what their outrage was about in the first place.
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It is known as, "Mob Mentality". They are entities that do not think, but react... and they are very dangerous to be a part of.
 
TurtleDude said:
protesting the police-legitimate expression of our rights as citizens

public display of support for the police-same as above

looting and rioting-you need to be shot RIGHT NOW
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And cops need to clear the streets of looters and that means that everybody needs to get off the streets and THAT means if you are protesting peacefully, understand what the cops are doing, leave and re-assemble for a peaceful protest later and STOP BITCHING about the police doing their job to protect people and businesses...
 
TurtleDude said:
protesting the police-legitimate expression of our rights as citizens

public display of support for the police-same as above

looting and rioting-you need to be shot RIGHT NOW
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How about napalm and anthrax variant, instead? That could be good for the lulz.

Neutron bomb? No, wait. I'm being silly, now.
 
Bodhisattva said:
And cops need to clear the streets of looters and that means that everybody needs to get off the streets and THAT means if you are protesting peacefully, understand what the cops are doing, leave and re-assemble for a peaceful protest later and STOP BITCHING about the police doing their job to protect people and businesses...
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It's not about them doing their job it's about the way they are doing it
 
opendebate said:
It's not about them doing their job it's about the way they are doing it
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I haven't seen anything illegal or inappropriate. It might be happening but out of all the "outrageous: footage I have seen none of it qualifies...
 
NoC_T said:
How about napalm and anthrax variant, instead? That could be good for the lulz.

Neutron bomb? No, wait. I'm being silly, now.
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You were being silly when you even thought of responding...
 
opendebate said:
As individuals, yes. But collectively it's my guess that noone would be judging the quality or orderliness of how they chose to express their outrage unless they doubted the validity of what their outrage was about in the first place.
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Well, it's a little hard to consider their outrage as legitimate when they won't even try to resolve it with some sanity and civility.
 
lizzie said:
Well, it's a little hard to consider their outrage as legitimate when they won't even try to resolve it with some sanity and civility.
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You assume that they went straight for violence. I think you have to look and this event in the greater context
 
opendebate said:
You assume that they went straight for violence. I think you have to look and this event in the greater context
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Why look in greater context? It appears that outrage and violence seems to be a recurring theme as a response to stress.
 
opendebate said:
I do.

No it is not irrelevant. If you choose to allow yourself to be distracted by "how" people choose to protest you are loosing sight of the real problem and indirectly appear to be judging the validity of their outrage
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I disagree.

I'm all for protest, if you have a strong enough opinion about something to warrant it.

But if you start looting and rioting, you're no longer just protesting...a line has been crossed.
 
The fact is a police officer is in a no win situation in these types of cases......The left are ready to murder this police officer and they have not even heard his version how the incident went down. Talk about a kangaroo court.
 
The Mark said:
I disagree.

I'm all for protest, if you have a strong enough opinion about something to warrant it.

But if you start looting and rioting, you're no longer just protesting...a line has been crossed.
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I am getting so sick of the people ignoring this fact.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I am getting so sick of the people ignoring this fact.
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Reverse Racism... those people are like a bunch of roaches. As soon as the light goes off, they're back. The cops may as well withdraw and let Ferguson become nothing but a bad memory. Burn the son of a bitch to the ground, roaches.
 
HogWash said:
Reverse Racism... those people are like a bunch of roaches. As soon as the light goes off, they're back. The cops may as well withdraw and let Ferguson become nothing but a bad memory. Burn the son of a bitch to the ground, roaches.
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Seems a bit harsh...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Seems a bit harsh...
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yeah, I am sure most residents aren't assholes, looters, anarchists and other scum. and its usually innocent people who get hurt when the scum riot. The best thing that can happen is that the legitimate protestors can protest peacefully and the looters get 556 lobotomies or 9mm colonoscopies
 
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