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  • Racism

    17 15.45%
  • Police injustice

    23 20.91%
  • Cultural differences

    12 10.91%
  • Class Warfare

    13 11.82%
  • Crazy people

    50 45.45%
  • All the above

    31 28.18%
  • Other

    17 15.45%
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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We'll call it "The Mystery Culture"?
    Again, child, the name is irrelevant. Only the conditions matter. Not labels, only conditions. Which I already laid out:

    poor, generally uneducated, rough or no solid family situation, lots of run-ins with law enforcement and a forced upon lifestyle of living hand-to-mouth. In other words, the glass ceiling has them pinned to the ground.

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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Again, child, the name is irrelevant. Only the conditions matter. Not labels, only conditions. Which I already laid out:
    Culture of poverty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    That was an interesting read.


    In economics, the cycle of poverty is the "set of factors or events by which poverty, once started, is likely to continue unless there is outside intervention."

    The cycle of poverty has been defined as a phenomenon where poor families become impoverished for at least three generations, i.e., for enough time that the family includes no surviving ancestors who possess and can transmit the intellectual, social, and cultural capital necessary to stay out of or change their impoverished condition. Such families have either limited or no resources. There are many disadvantages that collectively work in a circular process making it virtually impossible for individuals to break the cycle. This occurs when poor people do not have the resources necessary to get out of poverty, such as financial capital, education, or connections. In other words, impoverished individuals do not have access to economic and social resources as a result of their poverty.

    The people in the culture of poverty have a strong feeling of marginality, of helplessness, of dependency, of not belonging. They are like aliens in their own country, convinced that the existing institutions do not serve their interests and needs. Along with this feeling of powerlessness is a widespread feeling of inferiority, of personal unworthiness.

    It sounds like we're experiencing something similar to the Feudal System crisis of the late middle ages. Though not yet to that severity, but with many of the same causes - economic problems, wars, diseases, political instabilities and religious upheavals.
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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    If he was already shot, started to leave the car, then it doesn't make sense that he would turn and charge the car/officer?
    Don't make the mistake of presuming that someone who just committed a violent felony and whose getaway method was strolling down the middle of the street would have any sense.

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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I voted for both police injustice and crazy people. Because it is both. The shooting was clearly unjustified and people started protesting (rightfully so IMO). Then they got crazy about it and decided shoving TVs down their pants was a good way to get rid of police brutality.
    I don't understand how you can be so sure it was police injustice, when you weren't there and you don't really have the facts. There has been no trial whatsoever, and whether the shooting was justified or not, a riot is an unacceptable response. The rioting is 100% the rioters' fault.

    Hundreds of people are shot every day, and we don't start rioting in the streets for each one, regardless of what the reason for the shooting was.

    Civilized people should not take to the streets because someone of their race was shot in a dubious situation.

    To the OP: I voted crazy people and racism.
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    Re: Ferguson

    Stupidity.

    While marching and rioting for justice, the mob has now made sure justice cannot be served. All these people who know almost nothing about what happened are screaming, yelling, looting, burning and now decrying that the investigation is biased. How exactly can anyone pursue justice through due process of the law when only one outcome is acceptable to the mob?
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    Re: Ferguson

    I voted "Crazy People". These idiots - the rioters, looters, et al - are crazy. And they allow themselves to be spurred on by people we KNOW are crazy, like Al Sharpton. Sharpton is a race baiter, nothing more & nothing less. A crazy, maniacal race baiter. The idiots who are looting & rioting are whining, disgusting SOBs who are using this dead kid for their own gain, and anyone who thinks otherwise is crazy too.

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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I don't understand how you can be so sure it was police injustice, when you weren't there and you don't really have the facts. There has been no trial whatsoever, and whether the shooting was justified or not, a riot is an unacceptable response. The rioting is 100% the rioters' fault.

    Hundreds of people are shot every day, and we don't start rioting in the streets for each one, regardless of what the reason for the shooting was.

    Civilized people should not take to the streets because someone of their race was shot in a dubious situation.

    To the OP: I voted crazy people and racism.
    Hey RA

    You're absolutely right. Rioting is never acceptable, doesn't matter how bad the situation is. Those shop owners did nothing...I don't understand why they have to be punished.

    As for the shooting, we don't have all the facts. There does need to be a trial. I was too presumptuous in my first post, I see that now, and I'm willing to own up to that. However, the man was unarmed. Taking down an unarmed man with a whole arsenal of tools (pepper spray, tasers, batons, etc) shouldn't be that difficult. Shooting should always be a last resort and, it seems, these days it's a first resort. Obviously, if the officer's life was in danger, that's different. That's why we should have a trial to figure out what exactly happened. If there is any other way to subdue a suspect, then shooting him is entirely unjustified IMHO. Cops are enforcers of the law, not executioners. Doesn't matter if he robbed a store, raped a girl, or whatever. The purpose of a cop is to subdue the suspect, bring him in for trial, and then the courts decide what to do with them.

    Also, when I selected "police injustice" I wasn't really talking about this incident in particular, but as an overreaching problem. I truly think that Ferguson was just the match that lit the powder keg.

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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Hey RA

    You're absolutely right. Rioting is never acceptable, doesn't matter how bad the situation is. Those shop owners did nothing...I don't understand why they have to be punished.

    As for the shooting, we don't have all the facts. There does need to be a trial. I was too presumptuous in my first post, I see that now, and I'm willing to own up to that. However, the man was unarmed. Taking down an unarmed man with a whole arsenal of tools (pepper spray, tasers, batons, etc) shouldn't be that difficult. Shooting should always be a last resort and, it seems, these days it's a first resort. Obviously, if the officer's life was in danger, that's different. That's why we should have a trial to figure out what exactly happened. If there is any other way to subdue a suspect, then shooting him is entirely unjustified IMHO. Cops are enforcers of the law, not executioners. Doesn't matter if he robbed a store, raped a girl, or whatever. The purpose of a cop is to subdue the suspect, bring him in for trial, and then the courts decide what to do with them.

    Also, when I selected "police injustice" I wasn't really talking about this incident in particular, but as an overreaching problem. I truly think that Ferguson was just the match that lit the powder keg.
    Morning, Kitty kat.

    I wouldn't say rioting is never acceptable, I just don't think it's acceptable in this situation. I mean, if you REALLY want to riot, why not direct your anger and fury towards the police and the establishment instead of innocent people's businesses?

    I think America is starting to have a real problem with vigilante rioters who want to take the law into their own hands. We saw it with Zimmerman and we're seeing it here. Everyone on the internet thinks they know what REALLY happened and everyone is too god damn impatient to wait for the investigation to be concluded. I think we as Americans as a whole need to take a chill pill and save violent discourse for the times we really need it.
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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    This is one of the most well written and sobering op-ed pieces I've read by a celebrity. I only posted the parts that seemed relevant before it got tl;dr.

    It's not that we don't want to get it right, it's that we don't know how to frame the problem correctly, due to certain unsavory aspects about our society that could lead to a solution.

    This is also endemic of a wider problem with the displeasure of the current governing system, similar to the civil protests and counter-culture of the 1960's. These situations could continue to spread and become more common (hope not), as the class/race/cultural distinctions become more disparaging.








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    I did a search before posting the article myself. I thought it was brilliant, and I voted "class warfare" and "political injustice."
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