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  • Racism

    17 15.45%
  • Police injustice

    23 20.91%
  • Cultural differences

    12 10.91%
  • Class Warfare

    13 11.82%
  • Crazy people

    50 45.45%
  • All the above

    31 28.18%
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    17 15.45%
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Thread: Ferguson

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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I voted for both police injustice and crazy people. Because it is both. The shooting was clearly unjustified and people started protesting (rightfully so IMO). Then they got crazy about it and decided shoving TVs down their pants was a good way to get rid of police brutality.
    It's interesting that you declare the shooting as unjustified, but yet, we don't have the facts. I suppose they're not really necessary when you can read tea leaves.

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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I didn't say that he was already shot, but it has been reported that he was.

    As far as his turning and charging not making sense?

    We have the third person hearsay account of what she was told by the Officer. Alone that can be ignored, but it is corroborated by an eye witness who is heard telling other folks exactly what he saw.
    Brown turned and was progressing (charging) towards the Officer as the Officer fired at him. He thought the Officer was missing because Brown kept moving toward him.

    With his hands up, 25-30 feet away? I do believe he was facing the officer, because he was laying face forward in that direction, and shot in the front of his body.

    My OP was not so much about the details of this incident, which I actually believe maybe just, especially seeing his demeanor in the convenience store, though that probably wouldn't be relevant in court. It was more about what's causing such a vehement reaction by the people? I think it's indicative of a wider social schism than a few unjust acts by LEO.
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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    With his hands up,
    Charging the Officer with his hands up?
    Not believable.
    His cohorts account sounded contrived. And we already know he lied when he said the Officer shot him in the back. So confirmed contrived.
    Nor does one charge an Officer while surrendering.
    Hands up surrendering? Unlikely.
    The trajectory of the arm wounds will give us a better indication.
    But as of now, hands up surrendering, when the reports are that he was charging, sounds contrived.
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    Re: Ferguson

    It's all of the above, and none of the above ....

    We have no way, and most importantly, no information to make an intelligent assessment of the incident that caused Mr. Brown to be shot. We can't call it justified; we can't call it racist; we can't call it police over-reaction. However, as seen in the streets of Ferguson and the posts on this thread, facts don't matter. When lacking, we fill them in with our own prejudices and experiences. But, simply, we don't KNOW ....

    As for the riots and protests, those aren't racist, either. How can blacks burning and looting black businesses be a racial issue? Instead, they are a reflection of a portion of Ferguson society who has no respect for their fellow citizens, no respect for the police, and no respect for moral authority or the rule of law. We have a frustrated, relatively uneducated, portion who have been told that all their woes are not their fault, that because of an accident of birth, that they are being held back. Michael Brown is not the REASON for the riots, but he certainly is the EXCUSE.

    Clearly, the handling of the riot is a case of incompetence. The police force was unprepared and untrained. The police, and the military, are taught to use a concept called 'continuum of force'. Simply, when force is required, use force that is one level above the attacker. For example, if you hit me, I would hit you with my baton. If you pick up a knife, I will pull my gun. Clearly, the police hierarchy used this ... and the situation kept elevating. Obviously, the wrong way to defuse the situation ...

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    Re: Ferguson

    Ferguson is about people not knowing how to peaceably protest... it is a shame that morons are hijacking Browns killing and rioting and it is a shame that morons are condemning police for trying to calm things down even if they are not doing a great job. The real condemnation should be the race baiters that are using race as an issue instead of demanding that protestors protest in common sense and lawful manners.
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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Charging the Officer with his hands up?
    Not believable.
    His cohorts account sounded contrived. And we already know he lied when he said the Officer shot him in the back. So confirmed contrived.
    Nor does one charge an Officer while surrendering.
    Hands up surrendering? Unlikely.
    The trajectory of the arm wounds will give us a better indication.
    But as of now, hands up surrendering, when the reports are that he was charging, sounds contrived.
    His hands could've been raised in an aggressive manner to strike the officer. That's something that only the cop and Brown can ascertain.

    I think his cohort is completely biased and not believable.
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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    His hands could've been raised in an aggressive manner to strike the officer. That's something that only cop and Brown can ascertain.
    Which is why I said "up surrendering" and not just up.
    Up in an attempt to attack at the Officer when he got to him? Maybe. Far more likely given what we know.

    Up as in shielding while charging? Not something that is likely, but you never know.


    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I think his cohort is completely biased and not believable.
    Of course. He has already been discredited by lying.

    Given what is currently known, I think it would be real sad to subject this Officer to a trial just to appease the community.
    And then, even if they did, the venue would have to be changed.
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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    This is one of the most well written and sobering op-ed pieces I've read by a celebrity. I only posted the parts that seemed relevant before it got tl;dr.

    It's not that we don't want to get it right, it's that we don't know how to frame the problem correctly, due to certain unsavory aspects about our society that could lead to a solution.

    This is also endemic of a wider problem with the displeasure of the current governing system, similar to the civil protests and counter-culture of the 1960's. These situations could continue to spread and become more common (hope not), as the class/race/cultural distinctions become more disparaging.
    I voted other. "Stupidity". Those people rioted with absolutely no idea of what actually happened. Just hearsay. There's no excuse for that. At least they waited until after the trial to riot in LA.

    As for the OP's op-ed I have a suggestion for income inequality. Step 1: Get rid of ALL welfare systems. Step 2: Give every single person in the US, 18 and older, 1 million dollars and set aside a 1 million dollar trust fund for every kid currently alive that can only be accessed when they are 18. This will only happen ONCE in our entire history. If they spend it all and fail at being able to provide for themselves then they are SOL. If others want to help them that's fine, but no government assistance period. No excuses. .....................Is this a serious suggestion? I'll let you decide.
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    Re: Ferguson

    If it turns out to be a legitimate shooting, or if more evidence comes out that it is then you'll see the media pivot the narrative to justified protesting because of historical racism and anti-police because their panties are all bunched up about cops wearing camo. You'll stop hearing about Brown altogether.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If Brown is found to have been guilty of threatening the cop's life, or some other transgression that led to a legitimate shooting...how can this be about any of the poll choices?

    The rioting may be but not the actual event....we have no idea what the facts are yet.

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    Re: Ferguson

    Very inflationary. Gas will be $50/gallon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I voted other. "Stupidity". Those people rioted with absolutely no idea of what actually happened. Just hearsay. There's no excuse for that. At least they waited until after the trial to riot in LA.

    As for the OP's op-ed I have a suggestion for income inequality. Step 1: Get rid of ALL welfare systems. Step 2: Give every single person in the US, 18 and older, 1 million dollars and set aside a 1 million dollar trust fund for every kid currently alive that can only be accessed when they are 18. This will only happen ONCE in our entire history. If they spend it all and fail at being able to provide for themselves then they are SOL. If others want to help them that's fine, but no government assistance period. No excuses. .....................Is this a serious suggestion? I'll let you decide.

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