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    13 11.82%
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Thread: Ferguson

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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Please show me the evidence that cops are encouraged to shoot to kill rather than shoot to wound in all circumstances.
    Did you read any of the links? And not encouraged, but taught.

    However, there is a germ of a solution there. Advertise to the public daily that police are trained to shoot for the berries. Most suspects will surrender immediately. A guy might take the chance with possibility of losing his life, but not his beanie weenies.

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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    And other statements said the opposite, so assuming the officer was being charged is not a fair assumption to make.
    So by that token, then, we shouldn't listen to those who are giving any statements. I mean, by what you are saying, of course. It's not a fair assumption to make to say that the officer wasn't rushed, either.

    I do not have to be in the shoes of a terrorist to say that their actions are wrong, nor does Michael Baden have to be in the shoes of the cop to say that shooting somebody 6 times is generally wrong. Michael Baden has seen tons of bodies, many the result of police shootings. He has far more authority to judge how many times an officer is generally supposed to shoot than you or I.
    Never said that he wasn't. But either way, the man is a doctor. He cannot, should not, say that the officer shouldn't have fired upon the suspect as many times as he did, because he is simply a doctor, and nothing more. A paid doctor - paid for by the victim's family. He's not even LEO.
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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Geeeeeeezus...it takes you a while...



    Relevant factor ignored. Got it. You can focus on my calling Lew by his given name all the while ignoring the FACT and UNDENIABLE reality that he is no different than any of the other race baiting charlatans that ignore the day to day violence, the kids gunned down in the streets by gang members, the decay, and complete ****holes that are such a large number of black communities and only offer the faintest pretense of outrage when tragedy occurs.

    Meanwhile...as people continue to fret about poor Mike Brown...approx 346 young people have been killed in black neighborhoods across the country in acts committed by black people. 46,032 violent crimes have been perpetrated on black people in communities across the country BY black people. And that is JUST August. SO FAR.

    So yeah...you will have to pardon me if I give less than half a **** about what he calls himself.
    No, I understand old habits of racism are hard to break. At least you didn't call him 'boy'.
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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, I understand old habits of racism are hard to break. At least you didn't call him 'boy'.
    Look how cute you are trotting out the race card...


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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No one said all circumstances but shooting to wound is never ever taught to my knowlege.

    Please see my previous post, I added links and you can find explanations.

    And btw, I never said 'shoot to kill', it's 'shoot to stop the threat.' Nothing about killing. I even pointed that out in my previous post.
    And I never said shooting to wound is taught. I said shooting to kill (which the officer did) and shooting 6 times is generally not acceptable. Since there has been no hard evidence that this was a special case where such force was necessary, it is only fair to say the officer likely acted improperly.
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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    My husband was a cop for 20 years, and he was always told that you never pick up your gun unless you are prepared to use it. Cops are trained to shoot at the largest body mass, which is the torso. You can't aim to shoot smaller masses, because when you are in a situation to have to fire upon a suspect, you are under an extreme amount of stress. Most shootings are instantaneous. It's not like you have 5 minutes to stand there and try to determine the best place to shoot. When you are in that kind of situation, you do what you are trained to do.
    The head is not the largest body mass. The question is not "was the officer prepared to use the gun" but "should the gun have been used in the first place, and in the way that it was." I don't care if he was 100% prepared to use it if it was an unlawful use.
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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    I'm making no assumptions, I'm just saying what narrative the evidence supports.

    Also, here is a summary of the LAPDs policy on lethal force. I'm guessing that the po po in Missouri probably have a similar one:

    LAPD officers’ use of force is concise, consistent with prevailing law, and based on best police practices. Officers are permitted to use force that is objectively reasonable to defend themselves or others, to effect an arrest or detention, and/or to prevent escape or overcome resistance,” Izen said. “Officers are taught to evaluate a suspect’s behavior, the severity of the crime a suspect is committing or about to commit, and whether it is reasonable to conclude that the suspect’s behavior might cause serious injury to an officer or another person.

    “If a suspect’s behavior is likely to cause serious bodily injury or death, an officer can, by law and under LAPD policy, use deadly force,” Izen added. “In using deadly force, officers can fire their weapons only to stop deadly threats to keep themselves and the public safe, and can continue to fire until the threat has ended.”
    The evidence at this point does not support either narrative. You are assuming the narrative given by the police officer is true, and then twisting the autopsy results to match that narrative when they really shed no light either way.
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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    The autopsy did not determine that the officer was being charged. And as the doctor performing it noted:

    "The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body."

    "“In my capacity as the forensic examiner for the New York State Police, I would say, ‘You’re not supposed to shoot so many times,’ ” said Dr. Baden"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us...imes.html?_r=0
    Who said it did?

    I was answering another poster that said 6 bullets was overkill in this situation because the suspect was 18 years old.

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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Did you read any of the links? And not encouraged, but taught.

    However, there is a germ of a solution there. Advertise to the public daily that police are trained to shoot for the berries. Most suspects will surrender immediately. A guy might take the chance with possibility of losing his life, but not his beanie weenies.
    If you teach someone something, that isn't encouraging it? Really? Sounds like doublespeak to me.
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    Re: Ferguson

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    And I never said shooting to wound is taught. I said shooting to kill (which the officer did) and shooting 6 times is generally not acceptable. Since there has been no hard evidence that this was a special case where such force was necessary, it is only fair to say the officer likely acted improperly.
    ?? You just backpeddled everywhere.

    Of course we all know that his use of force still needs to be proven. That's your only comment? The obvious?

    What a waste of time.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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