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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Spoken like a person that has never experienced a violent public situation...
    No. Spoken like a person who recognizes that we have 1st amendment rights. If some protesters acting violently is enough to cancel out the first amendment, then if I ever saw a protest I didn't like I could pose as one of them and get violent, shutting it all down. The militarized response of these police was unjustified, especially their firing of tear gas at peaceful protesters. Worried about people looting stores? Guard the stores, and arrest people who are actually looting them.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    No. Spoken like a person who recognizes that we have 1st amendment rights. If some protesters acting violently is enough to cancel out the first amendment, then if I ever saw a protest I didn't like I could pose as one of them and get violent, shutting it all down. The militarized response of these police was unjustified, especially their firing of tear gas at peaceful protesters. Worried about people looting stores? Guard the stores, and arrest people who are actually looting them.
    Yes. That can happen and probably does in some instances. The issue here is that violence started at the very beginning and the police tried shutting it down. Peaceful protestors wanting to protest should be smart and isolate themselves from violence at night. Let the police know what they are doing, etc. Just being out at night when people are shooting, etc. doesn't leave the police many options. They are tasked with protecting innocent people and property. Leave the area as asked and set up a properly scheduled and public protest. Just common sense and all this 1st Amendment being trampled crap is not taking common sense into consideration.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yes. That can happen and probably does in some instances. The issue here is that violence started at the very beginning and the police tried shutting it down. Peaceful protestors wanting to protest should be smart and isolate themselves from violence at night. Let the police know what they are doing, etc. Just being out at night when people are shooting, etc. doesn't leave the police many options. They are tasked with protecting innocent people and property. Leave the area as asked and set up a properly scheduled and public protest. Just common sense and all this 1st Amendment being trampled crap is not taking common sense into consideration.
    How can they isolate themselves from the violence when the violence follows them? Do you think rioters are going to riot away from the peaceful protests? The police are taksed at protecting innocent people and property, but they may not violate individual rights in the process. By "any means necessary" is not lawful.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Mike Brown was unarmed, walking down the street, and a cop killed him.

    There's more to the story and we don't have all the details yet but that simple assessment is what seems to be in play right now and it has caused riots, looting, destruction of property, curfews and at least one more shooting. This all begs the question.....if you are a cop working in a predominantly black neighborhood what are you going to do if you are in a situation where you may have to use force against a black suspect? If it's not a life or death situation are you just going to walk away?

    In the Mike Brown scenario Officer Wilson could have just blown the whole thing off. Yeah, maybe he just made contact with the kid that robbed the liquor store but is it really worth his career to take action and risk being thrust into the public spotlight? If he says, "Come here, please. I need to ask you a few questions" and the kid tells him to **** off should he just walk away?

    If a cop has his own interests in mind he would certainly, in light of the circumstances in Ferguson, have to think twice before having any kind of physical contact with a confrontational black suspect.

    That might be a good thing for community relations between police and blacks. Certainly less confrontation would be welcome....wouldn't it?
    He wasn't completely "unarmed". He had a lot of mass working in his favor but no, no effect will happen.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    How can they isolate themselves from the violence when the violence follows them? Do you think rioters are going to riot away from the peaceful protests? The police are taksed at protecting innocent people and property, but they may not violate individual rights in the process. By "any means necessary" is not lawful.
    Oh my god... by leaving the scene, going home to bed and re-assembling at the court house the next day or a designated safe public area, that is how. Are we both not adults that can think of adult responses or are we emotionally compromised and can think of nothing other than standing in front of a group of militarized cops and defying them even though violence is occurring around you? What the ****...
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    No. Spoken like a person who recognizes that we have 1st amendment rights. If some protesters acting violently is enough to cancel out the first amendment, then if I ever saw a protest I didn't like I could pose as one of them and get violent, shutting it all down. The militarized response of these police was unjustified, especially their firing of tear gas at peaceful protesters. Worried about people looting stores? Guard the stores, and arrest people who are actually looting them.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by MACS-24 View Post
    He wasn't completely "unarmed". He had a lot of mass working in his favor but no, no effect will happen.
    I was kind of going for the general meme in the incident storyline. I figured that if I gave my take on what happened the thread wouldn't make two posts before someone's head exploded.

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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I was kind of going for the general meme in the incident storyline. I figured that if I gave my take on what happened the thread wouldn't make two posts before someone's head exploded.
    I, for one, am glad that you didn't make someone's head explode. I hate it when that happens, because cleaning up the mess is such a pain in the ass.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I was kind of going for the general meme in the incident storyline. I figured that if I gave my take on what happened the thread wouldn't make two posts before someone's head exploded.
    Sadly, as with all crime, there is no political will (benefit) to have a dialogue.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I, for one, am glad that you didn't make someone's head explode. I hate it when that happens, because cleaning up the mess is such a pain in the ass.
    Meh...that's what we have mods for!

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