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Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police work in black neighborhoods?


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The actions of the police in Ferguson going on right now are absolutely unacceptable. I am revolted, offended, and ashamed that something like this is allowed to happen in the United States. These poor people in Missouri. What is going on there reminds me of a war zone in the Middle East. This is one of the largest violations of the 1st amendment I remember in recent times. Absolutely unacceptable.
 
I don't know if the shooting was justified or not. I suspect that it was but that's pure speculation on my part.

I'm looking at video of more crap going on tonight. Apparently there's been more shootings and more tear gas and more destruction. We've got "citizen journalists (and maybe a few professional ones) who seem to be causing as much of this **** as anyone else. The crowds see cameras and want to be on TV or something I guess. It's really just disgusting behavior.

If it bleeds, it leads. :(
 
THat could be the case- I was just responding to the martyr comment.

I don't think it was race in the case of the cop. I think he saw a 350 pound man coming after him, and he reacted.

I think the only reason race was brought into the entire fiasco was because the people of Ferguson brought it there. If it had been black cop/white kid, or black cop/black kid, or even white cop/white kid, this would not be happening.
 
The actions of the police in Ferguson going on right now are absolutely unacceptable. I am revolted, offended, and ashamed that something like this is allowed to happen in the United States. These poor people in Missouri. What is going on there reminds me of a war zone in the Middle East. This is one of the largest violations of the 1st amendment I remember in recent times. Absolutely unacceptable.

You do realize, of course, that if these "poor people of Missouri" would go their asses home, this wouldn't be happening. If they go home, the cops go home. It's not rocket science. They are rioting. They are looting. They are shooting towards the police cars.

What do you want the police to do, write them a strongly worded letter?
 
I would hope it wouldn't, but the animosity of one race seems to be growing yearly.

Either it is gotten under control, or things likely will not bode well for the future.
 
The actions of the police in Ferguson going on right now are absolutely unacceptable. I am revolted, offended, and ashamed that something like this is allowed to happen in the United States. These poor people in Missouri. What is going on there reminds me of a war zone in the Middle East. This is one of the largest violations of the 1st amendment I remember in recent times. Absolutely unacceptable.

Yes, the rioting and looting and damaging property is revolting. This type of reaction to a shooting is unacceptable.

In Phoenix not to long ago a police officer was shot dead after stopping the person for a traffic violation. Jury finds man guilty in Phoenix police officer shooting | azfamily.com Phoenix

another LE shote making a traffic stop.
Police officer shot, killed during Scottsdale traffic stop | azfamily.com Phoenix

Yes, sometimes LE officers step over their authority, make bad decisions and shoot when they not need to.

Yet, where is the outcry when LE are gunned down.

Like I said, the public reaction in Ferguson is unacceptable.
 
You do realize, of course, that if these "poor people of Missouri" would go their asses home, this wouldn't be happening. If they go home, the cops go home. It's not rocket science. They are rioting. They are looting. They are shooting towards the police cars.

What do you want the police to do, write them a strongly worded letter?
SOME are rioting. MOST are protesting peacefully. The cops don't care and attack everyone. That is not acceptable. Period.
 
Yes, the rioting and looting and damaging property is revolting. This type of reaction to a shooting is unacceptable.

In Phoenix not to long ago a police officer was shot dead after stopping the person for a traffic violation. Jury finds man guilty in Phoenix police officer shooting | azfamily.com Phoenix

another LE shote making a traffic stop.
Police officer shot, killed during Scottsdale traffic stop | azfamily.com Phoenix

Yes, sometimes LE officers step over their authority, make bad decisions and shoot when they not need to.

Yet, where is the outcry when LE are gunned down.

Like I said, the public reaction in Ferguson is unacceptable.
Looting is equally unacceptable. That in no way excuses the atrocious and disgusting actions of the police.
 
Looting is equally unacceptable. That in no way excuses the atrocious and disgusting actions of the police.
If the police action is in response to, and in an attempt to prevent such looting and damage, then yes, their use of teargas and rubber bullets are acceptable.
 
Mike Brown was unarmed, walking down the street, and a cop killed him.

There's more to the story and we don't have all the details yet but that simple assessment is what seems to be in play right now and it has caused riots, looting, destruction of property, curfews and at least one more shooting. This all begs the question.....if you are a cop working in a predominantly black neighborhood what are you going to do if you are in a situation where you may have to use force against a black suspect? If it's not a life or death situation are you just going to walk away?

In the Mike Brown scenario Officer Wilson could have just blown the whole thing off. Yeah, maybe he just made contact with the kid that robbed the liquor store but is it really worth his career to take action and risk being thrust into the public spotlight? If he says, "Come here, please. I need to ask you a few questions" and the kid tells him to **** off should he just walk away?

If a cop has his own interests in mind he would certainly, in light of the circumstances in Ferguson, have to think twice before having any kind of physical contact with a confrontational black suspect.

That might be a good thing for community relations between police and blacks. Certainly less confrontation would be welcome....wouldn't it?

I dont think your assessment is complete enough to base your questions on. We dont know for a fact many of the things you wrote as a given.

Today they released that Brown took 6 shots to the front, not back. I sure want to know why...I see zero reason to believe the cop that stupid or malicious. THere was no gun....and no claim he saw one. There has to be more to this story.
 
Ah, but you know how "for the time being" can go.

The thing is that Brown "bum-rushed" the cop, which is why the toxicology report may be important. If he had just committed robbery, he might have been just naturally pumped up/full of it anyway, and maybe the cop's uniform was the problem rather than race.

I keep seeing this....Idont think people are using this term correctly. The bum rush is grabbing someone by the seat of the pants/clothing and throwing them out of a business or alley.

Is this what people are saying that's what Brown tried to do? It requires actual contact to be correct.
 
I hope that it does but I am not sure that it will... American cops are so far removed from common sense and civility that for them to go back does not seem realistic.
 
SOME are rioting. MOST are protesting peacefully. The cops don't care and attack everyone. That is not acceptable. Period.

When some are rioting then the peaceful protestors should listen to the cops and ****ING DISPERSE. Get a license, notify the police and have a peaceful demonstration the next day.
 
I dont think your assessment is complete enough to base your questions on. We dont know for a fact many of the things you wrote as a given.

Today they released that Brown took 6 shots to the front, not back. I sure want to know why...I see zero reason to believe the cop that stupid or malicious. THere was no gun....and no claim he saw one. There has to be more to this story.
What evidence do you not know about?
He attacked the Officer and pushed him back into his vehicle, went for his gun and injured the Officers face which requiring hospitalization.
After the Officer was able to get out of his vehicle, brown didn't surrender but instead progressed towards (charged) the officer as the Officer fired.
 
What evidence do you not know about?
He attacked the Officer and pushed him back into his vehicle, went for his gun and injured the Officers face which requiring hospitalization.
After the Officer was able to get out of his vehicle, brown didn't surrender but instead progressed towards (charged) the officer as the Officer fired
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I have not seen an official report on that....can you provide a link? I've also not seen it substantiated by the current investigation.
 
I have not seen an official report on that....can you provide a link? I've also not seen it substantiated by the current investigation.
Did I say Official report, or Evidence that is known? You might want to pay attention to what has been said so you do not make the same mistake.
And that evidence that is known isn't going to change.


He attacked the Officer and pushed him back into his vehicle, went for his gun and injured the Officers face which requiring hospitalization.
This is information released by the Chief.


After the Officer was able to get out of his vehicle, brown didn't surrender but instead progressed towards (charged) the officer as the Officer fired.
This is information obtained from an eyewitness to the shooting as he was recorded telling other folks what happened.
 
Did I say Official report, or Evidence that is known? You might want to pay attention to what has been said so you do not make the same mistake.
And that evidence that is known isn't going to change.


He attacked the Officer and pushed him back into his vehicle, went for his gun and injured the Officers face which requiring hospitalization.
This is information released by the Chief.


After the Officer was able to get out of his vehicle, brown didn't surrender but instead progressed towards (charged) the officer as the Officer fired.
This is information obtained from an eyewitness to the shooting as he was recorded telling other folks what happened.

You said evidence. It's not evidence yet....has it been entered into any court?

And the Chief is going off a statement....still to be supported. It could easily change or be countered by other eyewitnesses....that will probably be up to others to decide.

And which eyewitnesses are you deciding are offering 'evidence' and which are offering lies? You've decided that? Is the Chief deciding?

Pssst! I've never heard of evidence that 'isnt' known :roll:
 
You said evidence. It's not evidence yet....has it been entered into any court?

And the Chief is going off a statement....still to be supported.

And which eyewitnesses are you deciding are offering 'evidence' and which are offering lies? You've decided that? Is the Chief deciding?
You clearly do not know what evidence is or are playing a stupid game.
Yes it is evidence.
It doesn't have to be admitted in any court to be evidence.

Lets put it this way? What the heck do you think non-admitted evidence is?
Let me clue you in, it is evidence that the court disallowed to be used in court proceedings. Still evidence though. Duh!


It will be evidence in the investigation, and will remain evidence during the trial.


The Officer's account is also evidence.
It will be evidence in the investigation, and will remain evidence during the trial.

So stop with your silly little game.
 
SOME are rioting. MOST are protesting peacefully. The cops don't care and attack everyone. That is not acceptable. Period.

Bull****. I haven't seen anything peaceful, with the exception of yesterday's church service.

It might have started out as a peaceful protest, but has turned into a full scale riot.
 
Looting is equally unacceptable. That in no way excuses the atrocious and disgusting actions of the police.

I will wait till the investigation is done before drawing any hard conclusion. We do not know all the facts surrounding the shooting.
 
Bull****. I haven't seen anything peaceful, with the exception of yesterday's church service.

It might have started out as a peaceful protest, but has turned into a full scale riot.

I haven't seen anything peaceful either, Superflygirl. There could be a lot of peaceful protests going on, but the media doesn't show them. All I've seen are savage acts and some nasty buggers taking advantage of the death of a young man to steal, rob, wreck, and deface under the name of "protest". $50 says most of them don't even know what the hell they're protesting.
 
When some are rioting then the peaceful protestors should listen to the cops and ****ING DISPERSE. Get a license, notify the police and have a peaceful demonstration the next day.

That's how protests against injustices were done in the past, and most of them worked. What's going on in Ferguson is a blight on this country. This is what third world country citizens do, not what Americans do.
 
Outside of that one geographic area for the short run - I suspect this will have little not no impact upon police across the nation.
 
I'm not so sure that segregated departments are really the answer. That's more like slapping a bandaid on a severed artery.
A viable community requires that people of all races, faiths, etc. work together for the good of that community.




You've hit the nail on the head. I agree with your comment.

It may not always be easy, but that's what it's going to take.

And eventually it will happen.
 
not in that county but it did help in los angeles by 50 percent after rodney king
 
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