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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Where does it say 1st amendment rights can be suspended? Nowhere. Why? Because states cannot suspend federally granted rights. Same reason why they can't take guns and ammo--that would violate the 2nd amendment. You only prove my point.
    Out of curiosity, what authority do you think was used to round up people in New Orleans after Katrina?

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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Mike Brown was unarmed, walking down the street, and a cop killed him.

    There's more to the story and we don't have all the details yet but that simple assessment is what seems to be in play right now and it has caused riots, looting, destruction of property, curfews and at least one more shooting. This all begs the question.....if you are a cop working in a predominantly black neighborhood what are you going to do if you are in a situation where you may have to use force against a black suspect? If it's not a life or death situation are you just going to walk away?

    In the Mike Brown scenario Officer Wilson could have just blown the whole thing off. Yeah, maybe he just made contact with the kid that robbed the liquor store but is it really worth his career to take action and risk being thrust into the public spotlight? If he says, "Come here, please. I need to ask you a few questions" and the kid tells him to **** off should he just walk away?

    If a cop has his own interests in mind he would certainly, in light of the circumstances in Ferguson, have to think twice before having any kind of physical contact with a confrontational black suspect.

    That might be a good thing for community relations between police and blacks. Certainly less confrontation would be welcome....wouldn't it?
    This is going to sound a little strange at first sight, but I think this whole thing really started with the Zimmerman thing. That is to say, there a certain degree of brutality in Zimmerman;s actions and that set black America on the defensive, as did the Rodney King incident. The cops, since Zimmerna have taken to a new style of brutality as well. Out here, we're just now getting over the 13 year old who was shot in Santa Rosa while carrying a toy gun. Turned out the kid was stoned, so his reaction was slower probably, but for the cop to gun that kid down was a bit over the top. Same thing in the Ferguson case as I see it. The cops; like Zimmerman, are just going kind of crazy under these threats, and they are defending their own lives as they see it.

    So who's right? Should the cops be tough enough to keep the local thuggery from being a threat to the neighborhoods, or should the cops just be nice guys until one of them feels threatened enough? I think that the burden is on society at large. The cops keep having to defend themselves from the mentality that is doing all the looting... they are the trouble amkers, and I don't doubt for minute that if alive Brown would have been among them carrying out expensive tires and wheels.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Said the one acting as, well... you know.
    And the above is not accurate because you did not. As shown. You were absurdly agreeing with an article that wasn't even relevant.
    You just simply can't help acting doofy, can you?
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You just simply can't help acting doofy, can you?
    When that happens I will let you know.
    So how about we get back to your goofy statements. and maybe even your grrr anger?

    You were not agreeing with me, but with an irrelevant (to the discharge) article.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    When that happens I will let you know.
    So how about we get back to your goofy statements. and maybe even your grrr anger?

    You were not agreeing with me, but with an irrelevant (to the discharge) article.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    No.


    -Urban blacks don't trust police forces. That isn't ever going to change come good or bad times.

    -Liberal and conservative whites do not care what happens in black, Hispanic areas and will never come good or bad times.


    Things will never change. Some things were never meant to change for very precise reasons that are out of human political control.




    It's the same reason liberal politicians can't prevent or hamper white flight phenomena. It is not controllable politically speaking. These are sociocultural phenomena that cannot be stopped.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Then why bother with having police at all? I mean, if they are afraid to confront a suspect, then they are in the wrong line of work. I don't care if a suspect is black, white or purple. If he fits the description of someone who just strongarm robbed a store, and he is stupid enough to carry the stolen goods with him -- if the cop is too scared to confront him, then the cop should be looking for another job.
    You are missing the point. The point isn't that cops are in fear of the suspect. The point is that cops are apprehensive to take action knowing any action they are forced to take by making a stand could turn in to a media ****storm and greatly effecting his family for a decade or more. Example ? Say Officer Darren Wilson is proven to be innocent, his life doesn't just go back to the way it was instantly.....and this **** is starting to become a common occurrence.

    Our police officers deserve better, or we will find ourselves with a lack of adequate men and women to do the job.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    You mean black people are hotheaded and violent by nature?

    Did I say that?

    Take your race baiting and go F yourself.

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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Mike Brown was unarmed, walking down the street, and a cop killed him.

    There's more to the story and we don't have all the details yet but that simple assessment is what seems to be in play right now and it has caused riots, looting, destruction of property, curfews and at least one more shooting. This all begs the question.....if you are a cop working in a predominantly black neighborhood what are you going to do if you are in a situation where you may have to use force against a black suspect? If it's not a life or death situation are you just going to walk away?

    In the Mike Brown scenario Officer Wilson could have just blown the whole thing off. Yeah, maybe he just made contact with the kid that robbed the liquor store but is it really worth his career to take action and risk being thrust into the public spotlight? If he says, "Come here, please. I need to ask you a few questions" and the kid tells him to **** off should he just walk away?

    If a cop has his own interests in mind he would certainly, in light of the circumstances in Ferguson, have to think twice before having any kind of physical contact with a confrontational black suspect.

    That might be a good thing for community relations between police and blacks. Certainly less confrontation would be welcome....wouldn't it?
    You make a good point but..... crime doesn't have color. Cops should arrest criminals. Cops should use appropriate force against black criminals, white criminals, and every other adjective that can be applied to criminals.

    As an aside, color and race isn't a problem in the USA. Culture is.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    They are just trying to find somebody drunk, somebody with a warrant, somebody not insured, or something. It's how they make money, so it's not an issue of the cops race. It's an issue of how the entire system is build to make money, and how the system works in lower class and especially minority/immigrant communities.

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    From the first line, it would appear they are just doing their job.... You know... As a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER?

    Then you go on an unwarranted rant about money. While the state collects fines, if any, from these violations, there is absolutely no monetary incentive for an officer from arrests and fines accumulated from their work.

    The funny part about your last line about low income areas is that the majority of fines given in poverty areas to unpaid anyhow.
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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