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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Under a declared State of Emergency certain rights can be suspended. In Missouri - Section 44-100 Emergency powers of governor. - Basically, they can take your house, your car and your food but (under 44.101) not your guns and ammo.
    Where does it say 1st amendment rights can be suspended? Nowhere. Why? Because states cannot suspend federally granted rights. Same reason why they can't take guns and ammo--that would violate the 2nd amendment. You only prove my point.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Nothing you said changes anything I said.

    And as for your scenario?
    If that terrorist had a nuclear device that would kill thousands more, then yes, killing the hundreds in the square just to kill the terrorist would be justifiable.

    But you scenario was absurd in comparison to gas and rubber bullets (non-lethal force) to stop rioting, looting, and damage.
    Yes it does. The means matter, not merely the intent of the government. Take a basic Con Law 101 class and you will understand this.

    You would killing everyone in Times Square? Really? Thank God you don't write the law or have any power as an official.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    People have the Constitutional right to protest on public streets. Protesting is not defying cops. .
    People also have the right to be safe and secure in their person and property. A basic tenant of the social contract.

    Perhaps you prefer a dictatorial police state,
    Drama Queen much?

    but I prefer a constitutional republic
    Perhaps you should understand the 1st Amendment BEFORE you try to sound like an expert...

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Probably 90% of the young guys in his community fit the description. I want specifics on the description... was it based on an obvious and distinct piece of clothing? How did the officer suspect Michael but not his friend, and why isn't is friend in jail if they robbed a place together? Did Michael actually rob the place or not?

    I am not asking the questions to be stupid. I really want to know...

    And let's not forget, the initial reason he was stopped was for "blocking traffic." The officer identified him as suspect after letting him go for blocking traffic.
    From what I read, the clothes he was wearing in the surveillance video match the clothes he was wearing a few minutes later when he was confronted by the police.

    No, the officer did not know initially that he was a suspect in the store robbery. He initially stopped him because he and the other 2 guys were walking down the middle of the street, and he was asking them to get out of the middle of the street as (I assume) they were blocking traffic. It was only a few minutes later when (I assume) a BOLO went out.

    As far as why the other two were not confronted, I also heard reports that they ran, while Michael turned around and came back for the officer.

    From the surveillance video, it did look like Michael and the other two boys robbed the store, and Michael put his hands on the store owner when he tried to stop him.

    All this is just what I have heard from varying reports online, on TV and from "witnesses."
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Where does it say 1st amendment rights can be suspended? Nowhere. Why? Because states cannot suspend federally granted rights. Same reason why they can't take guns and ammo--that would violate the 2nd amendment. You only prove my point.
    Where does it say in the Constitution that at times 1st Amendment rights can not be suspended due to an emergency? Nowhere.

    Yes it does. The means matter, not merely the intent of the government. Take a basic Con Law 101 class and you will understand this.
    You had one nutty professor from the sounds of it...

    You would killing everyone in Times Square? Really? Thank God you don't write the law or have any power as an official.
    That is one way to interpret what he said...
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No... it was really just that lame.
    Figures.
    You get shown to be wrong as usual, and you cry lame.
    Yep. Figures.

    Good to know you don't think accuracy of information is relevant.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Yes it does. The means matter, not merely the intent of the government. Take a basic Con Law 101 class and you will understand this.

    You would killing everyone in Times Square? Really? Thank God you don't write the law or have any power as an official.
    You clearly have no idea of what you speak.
    Nothing you said changes anything I said in the following.
    If the police action is in response to, and in an attempt to prevent such looting and damage, then yes, their use of teargas and rubber bullets are acceptable.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Figures.
    You get shown to be wrong as usual, and you cry lame.
    Yep. Figures.

    Good to know you don't think accuracy of information is relevant.
    Umm... nope. The accuracy is 100% relevant. That is not what was lame... it was your little cry baby tangents that got boring.

    Like I said, I agreed with you once my confusion was cleared up but you continued to act like... well, you.
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    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Like I said, I agreed with you once my confusion was cleared up but you continued to act like... well, you.
    Said the one acting as, well... you know.
    And the above is not accurate because you did not. As shown. You were absurdly agreeing with an article that wasn't even relevant.
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    re: Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Mike Brown was unarmed, walking down the street, and a cop killed him.

    There's more to the story and we don't have all the details yet but that simple assessment is what seems to be in play right now and it has caused riots, looting, destruction of property, curfews and at least one more shooting. This all begs the question.....if you are a cop working in a predominantly black neighborhood what are you going to do if you are in a situation where you may have to use force against a black suspect? If it's not a life or death situation are you just going to walk away?

    In the Mike Brown scenario Officer Wilson could have just blown the whole thing off. Yeah, maybe he just made contact with the kid that robbed the liquor store but is it really worth his career to take action and risk being thrust into the public spotlight? If he says, "Come here, please. I need to ask you a few questions" and the kid tells him to **** off should he just walk away?

    If a cop has his own interests in mind he would certainly, in light of the circumstances in Ferguson, have to think twice before having any kind of physical contact with a confrontational black suspect.

    That might be a good thing for community relations between police and blacks. Certainly less confrontation would be welcome....wouldn't it?
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    File complaints, sue the PD, call for the federal department of justice to investigate the PD.

    My father and the rest of the people in Shelton accomplished it without any big protest, without national news coverage, without rioting, etc.

    The Ferguson protest was so hilariously botched, these people are moronic.
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