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    Re: Do you agree with this Preachers comments on the Ferguson situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I certainly understand his frustrations.
    He's strong on condemnation and impotent frustration, he's just not so hot on suggesting solutions. "We have to CHANGE as black people!" Okay. Any suggestions for how?
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    Re: Do you agree with this Preachers comments on the Ferguson situation?

    Lay off the crack and meth bro.

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    Re: Do you agree with this Preachers comments on the Ferguson situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The single biggest predictor of poverty is a single parent household. This is a legitimate issue.

    Ok. The first thing any intelligent person would suggest, is that your statement should say "a significant indicator of poverty is a single parent household." That is because of those two factors, it is unclear which is the causal factor. In other words, do single parent households lead to poverty or does poverty lead to single parent households. If the latter, then it would be more accurate to say poverty predicts single parent households, and not the opposite. That statement is also equally plausible. Or it is quite possible that they are mutually reinforcing phenomenon, single parent households do lead to poverty and poverty does lead to single parent households. One both creates and is created by the other.

    The point being, if it is poverty that is the causal factor, then that supports my position, not yours.
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    Re: Do you agree with this Preachers comments on the Ferguson situation?

    He doesn't strike me as a preacher, more as an angry man, but he's spot on!!

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    Re: Do you agree with this Preachers comments on the Ferguson situation?

    He's both right and wrong. He's generally right that people are out there acting silly, but at the same point there is a legitimate structural poverty problem and racism still has a strong presence in the American "justice" system. Even conservatives like Rand Paul have admitted this. He's right that it has gotten better and that rioting won't change anything, but he's wrong that there aren't legitimate factors holding black people back even today. There's legitimate factors holding poor people of all races back.

    Racism still exists, and that needs to be acknowledged, however the man is generally right about people acting silly over the issue. We have alot of work to do in the civil rights department, and I do believe the Michael Brown shooting was entirely unjustified, but burning down stores and looting is definitely not a way to fix the problem.

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    Re: Do you agree with this Preachers comments on the Ferguson situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    He's strong on condemnation and impotent frustration, he's just not so hot on suggesting solutions. "We have to CHANGE as black people!" Okay. Any suggestions for how?
    The how is fairly simple: Get an education, get a job, lay off the drugs, and, if you want to lift your children out of poverty, marry their mother.

    It's not rocket science.
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    Re: Do you agree with this Preachers comments on the Ferguson situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by fedup View Post
    He's both right and wrong. He's generally right that people are out there acting silly, but at the same point there is a legitimate structural poverty problem and racism still has a strong presence in the American "justice" system. Even conservatives like Rand Paul have admitted this. He's right that it has gotten better and that rioting won't change anything, but he's wrong that there aren't legitimate factors holding black people back even today. There's legitimate factors holding poor people of all races back.

    Racism still exists, and that needs to be acknowledged, however the man is generally right about people acting silly over the issue. We have alot of work to do in the civil rights department, and I do believe the Michael Brown shooting was entirely unjustified, but burning down stores and looting is definitely not a way to fix the problem.
    How do you think racial perceptions are impacted when scenes like those from Ferguson are headline news?

    Do you think the Preachers message touches on this point?

    Personally, I think these scenes help stoke those perceptions, which I firmly believe is the objective of the Jacksons and Sharptons of the world. Think how people who riot after their favorite team wins a championship are viewed.

    One of the things that needs to be addressed about racism requires a change from within. Exactly, I believe, what the preacher was so passionately pleading for.

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    Re: Do you agree with this Preachers comments on the Ferguson situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    He's strong on condemnation and impotent frustration, he's just not so hot on suggesting solutions. "We have to CHANGE as black people!" Okay. Any suggestions for how?
    I saw this as a trade against general issues--not specific ones. Do you think he was giving a policy speech to the UN?

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    Re: Do you agree with this Preachers comments on the Ferguson situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frodly View Post
    Ok. The first thing any intelligent person would suggest, is that your statement should say "a significant indicator of poverty is a single parent household." That is because of those two factors, it is unclear which is the causal factor. In other words, do single parent households lead to poverty or does poverty lead to single parent households. If the latter, then it would be more accurate to say poverty predicts single parent households, and not the opposite. That statement is also equally plausible. Or it is quite possible that they are mutually reinforcing phenomenon, single parent households do lead to poverty and poverty does lead to single parent households. One both creates and is created by the other.

    The point being, if it is poverty that is the causal factor, then that supports my position, not yours.
    No, you dont understand. The single biggest factor associated with poverty is single parenthood. This is science, from people who at least understand it. Stop creating excuses and start being part of the solution-because we know that the lefts war on poverty has made things so much worse.

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    Re: Do you agree with this Preachers comments on the Ferguson situation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The how is fairly simple: Get an education, get a job, lay off the drugs, and, if you want to lift your children out of poverty, marry their mother.

    It's not rocket science.
    Only other thing Id add (from studies ive read) is graduating from high school or equivalent.

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