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    "I'm Joe Schmoe and I approve this message"

    "I'm Joe Schmoe and I approve this message"

    Ok, but about when Joe Schmoe doesn't approve the ad? What about when it's a fiercely negative ad with a disclaimer at the end that says something like, "This as is produced by 'People Against the Other Guy' and is not reviewed or approved by any candidate"?

    Do you believe that?

    I do not. Call my cynical, but I believe that even the most negative ads are pretty much always reviewed and/or approved by the candidate that is opposite the one being slammed. The one they want to look good in comparison. I know the history behind this point in political campaign evolution, but IMO nothing has changed. It's still candidates running negative ads, but now with plausible deniability to cover their arses.

    And really, unless the candidate comes out and specifically disavows the ad, AND seeks to correct it, they've given complicit approval, anyway.
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    Re: "I'm Joe Schmoe and I approve this message"

    I've volunteered with enough campaigns here in NH that I know for a fact the candidates most certainly do know about, and approve of, the ads that are attack ads on the other guy. It's a "wink wink I know what you're doing but I'll stay out of it" mentality. It's BS all around, on both sides.

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    Re: "I'm Joe Schmoe and I approve this message"

    Nor do I believe there's no "collaboration" between campaigns and PACs, etc.
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    Re: "I'm Joe Schmoe and I approve this message"

    Of course they approve them.
    Joe Schmoe admits to having approved the ad, made by "Citizens for a Better Tomorrow" or perhaps "People who love warm puppies". The real money hides behind these made up names, however.
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    Re: "I'm Joe Schmoe and I approve this message"

    I've never understood why we haven't seen attack ads done by people, in the name of other candidates, to make those candidates look bad. As long as we allow "independent groups" to do ads, why hasn't anyone tried making an ad, attacking another candidate, calling them all kinds of racist, sexist or whatever names, then flashing a picture of the person you really want to destroy, as though they were pushing them for election and saying "brought to you by the Committee for Stupid Racist Jerks".

    Come on, tell me they haven't already thought of this.
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    Re: "I'm Joe Schmoe and I approve this message"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I've never understood why we haven't seen attack ads done by people, in the name of other candidates, to make those candidates look bad. As long as we allow "independent groups" to do ads, why hasn't anyone tried making an ad, attacking another candidate, calling them all kinds of racist, sexist or whatever names, then flashing a picture of the person you really want to destroy, as though they were pushing them for election and saying "brought to you by the Committee for Stupid Racist Jerks".

    Come on, tell me they haven't already thought of this.
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    Re: "I'm Joe Schmoe and I approve this message"

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Because it wouldn't be allowed on TV.
    Why not? Maybe not as blatant as I described, but why couldn't independent groups go out and smear a candidate while pretending to support that candidate?
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    Re: "I'm Joe Schmoe and I approve this message"

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    "I'm Joe Schmoe and I approve this message"

    Ok, but about when Joe Schmoe doesn't approve the ad? What about when it's a fiercely negative ad with a disclaimer at the end that says something like, "This as is produced by 'People Against the Other Guy' and is not reviewed or approved by any candidate"?

    Do you believe that?

    I do not. Call my cynical, but I believe that even the most negative ads are pretty much always reviewed and/or approved by the candidate that is opposite the one being slammed. The one they want to look good in comparison. I know the history behind this point in political campaign evolution, but IMO nothing has changed. It's still candidates running negative ads, but now with plausible deniability to cover their arses.

    And really, unless the candidate comes out and specifically disavows the ad, AND seeks to correct it, they've given complicit approval, anyway.
    Perhaps the candidate himself may not coordinate anything, but you know the wink, wink, nudge, nudge I am going to do this for you has been passed.
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    Re: "I'm Joe Schmoe and I approve this message"

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Perhaps the candidate himself may not coordinate anything, but you know the wink, wink, nudge, nudge I am going to do this for you has been passed.
    "let us handle it, you keep your hands clean".
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    Re: "I'm Joe Schmoe and I approve this message"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I've never understood why we haven't seen attack ads done by people, in the name of other candidates, to make those candidates look bad. As long as we allow "independent groups" to do ads, why hasn't anyone tried making an ad, attacking another candidate, calling them all kinds of racist, sexist or whatever names, then flashing a picture of the person you really want to destroy, as though they were pushing them for election and saying "brought to you by the Committee for Stupid Racist Jerks".

    Come on, tell me they haven't already thought of this.
    It's most likely been done already. Why not? Every other dirty trick in thebook has been pulled. All's fair in love and war, and political campaigns are war.
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