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How is poverty best eliminated?

What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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disneydude said:
I would have put you slightly younger.....mid to late 20's. That's when I talked similar to what you are saying. I'm 50. I think most of my experience with reality came in my 30's and 40's.
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You're 50?? I swear I've seen your pic and you looked maybe 35.
 
disneydude said:
Like I said....hard work and perserverance will pay off for everyone...but only to a certain degree. The idea that all it takes is hard work and responsibility to be successful for a huge chunk of people is not reality. That's just the cold hard facts of our society. Our society is based on the concept that there will be hungry/poor that will work for minimal wages in order to supply the advantages for the upper classes.
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Yes, there will always be people who work for minimal wages - I'm not disputing that. I'm saying if you are one of those people, you can rise above it (for most people).
 
US Conservative said:
I beat my parents (both college educated, first in their families) by age 30, and by a significant margin. That wasn't by not working hard or saying the deck is stacked against me, so why bother.

People need to worry more about emulating successful behavior and less about being bitter of achievement.
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I don't disagree....but the reality is....for many they can emulate success as much as they can....but without the access and opportunities....they aren't going to be able to achieve it.

I, fortunately, grew up in a white middle class family. I HAD opportunities. It still required hard work...and I struggled for many years to be successful...but I also recognize that growing up in white middle class America, I had access to things that a lot of other people don't have. I watch smart hard working kids struggle every day...and they are fed the line that all they have to do is work hard and they will succeed. Its a lie. A lie that will give them a life better than others....but certainly not a life that they are led to believe that they can achieve.
 
US Conservative said:
I wouldn't have guessed 33. Women at 33 are all over the place-some look like old women already. :shock: Thats not you, btw.

How's your Christ year working out?
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That's not me in my avatar pic, btw... that's SE Cupp. People just say we look a bit alike.

I'm ready for 33 to be over.
 
Josie said:
You're 50?? I swear I've seen your pic and you looked maybe 35.
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US Conservative said:
I wouldn't have guessed 33. Women at 33 are all over the place-some look like old women already. :shock: Thats not you, btw.

How's your Christ year working out?
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I was going to respond to the thread, but at the last second noticed I would be butting in on an intimate conversation.
 
Josie said:
You're 50?? I swear I've seen your pic and you looked maybe 35.
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LOL....thanks.....I am often told I look much younger than my age....but my wrinkles and gray in my beard give me away (although most of that has come over the last 5 or so years).
 
Neomalthusian said:
I was going to respond to the thread, but at the last second noticed I would be butting in on an intimate conversation.
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Im in southern california, there are like 3 libertarian women in the entire state and they are dispersed amongst various museums as curiosities. It is different elsewhere in the nation.
 
disneydude said:
LOL....thanks.....I am often told I look much younger than my age....but my wrinkles and gray in my beard give me away (although most of that has come over the last 5 or so years).
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Hmmm... you need to post another pic in the Tavern right now.
 
US Conservative said:
Im in southern california, there are like 3 libertarian women in the entire state and they are dispersed amongst various museums as curiosities. It is different elsewhere in the nation.
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Oh well then by all means, have at her. ;)
 
US Conservative said:
Then stop crying that life is unfair and encourage EVERYONE to work hard instead of making excuses for mediocrity.
The greeks thought working to ones full potential was the key to happiness-im inclined to agree though I often fail to do just that.

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I do encourage people....but I refuse to perpetuate lies that are promulgated by those who have an interest in keeping a large supply of hungry masses that will work hard for peanuts.
 
US Conservative said:
Not working hard for peanut shells is much better.
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Again.....I've said it several times. Hard work will absolutely get you further than little work or not working at all. That said....it is an absolute lie to tell people that they can be successful....all it takes is hard work and perserverance. The reality for many is that this is not the case.
 
disneydude said:
Again.....I've said it several times. Hard work will absolutely get you further than little work or not working at all. That said....it is an absolute lie to tell people that they can be successful....all it takes is hard work and perserverance. The reality for many is that this is not the case.
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That really depends on what you are calling successful.
 
Excon said:
That really depends on what you are calling successful.
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of course....its all relative. But the myth of the "American dream" is often sold to people by people who know damn well that the people they are selling it too....aren't ever going to be able to achieve it.
 
disneydude said:
Again.....I've said it several times. Hard work will absolutely get you further than little work or not working at all. That said....it is an absolute lie to tell people that they can be successful....all it takes is hard work and perserverance. The reality for many is that this is not the case.
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There are no guarantees in life.
 
First off, one needs to define poverty because there was a study based on the census that states that most Americans who are considered poor have a house with a garage as well as having enough food to prevent them from starving and an XBox for the kiddies. In my view if one has a place to stay, clothing on their backs and has adequate food then one cannot be poor- hence, true poverty has largely been eliminated in the US.
 
US Conservative said:
We have sham leaders but I think they are just a symptom. Remove the cause and the symptom goes way-we have ignorant and uneducated voters who decide based on emotion. Nowhere is this worse than CA (in the us). Im reminded of the "bullet train" fiasco. I remember seeing idiot after idiot talking about what a great idea it was-some people thought "everyone will get free rides whenever they want". :doh The thing is if you talk to many of these uninformed people they come around quickly.

They scared the industrial, manufacturing, tech, and defense industries out-the largest number went to texas but now ex-californians are trying to turn that in to ca. Like parasites. Did you hear about nancy pelosi's personal financial benefit from policies she voted for? Just briefly heard about it on levin.

The polling thing is great fun, and actually pays ok. Most things you never hear about again but some end up in the news in 6 months or a year.
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I'm a bit of a California political junkie, as I've been fighting city hall for decades due to my business here. I pay close attention to bills going through the process and recieve notice any time bills I'm watching are acted on. The corrupt Progressive enterpise in Sacramento is even worse when one has a microscope on their criminal enterprise.

Pelosi, Boxer, and Feinstein are the scum of the earth, with Pelosi leading the parade. I'm very familiar with the personal gain all three have received through the legislative actions the press works hard to keep quiet. If one draws a line between the history of the decline in Californias economic strength and when all three took office, there is no doubt who has been contributing to the result.

Mark is a great listen, and doesn't pull punches. I have never found any of his claims to be lacking merit.
 
disneydude said:
Again.....I've said it several times. Hard work will absolutely get you further than little work or not working at all. That said....it is an absolute lie to tell people that they can be successful....all it takes is hard work and perserverance. The reality for many is that this is not the case.
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It's also a myth to say that the government can end the struggle of the middle class. As long as there's a middle class, people will be struggling. The government can't make everyone rich, and demonizing wealth goes against that goal.
 
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