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How is poverty best eliminated?

What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?


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It's more of a generalization than a rule.

But think about it. Capitalist makes it big, then pays politicians to pass laws that protect their companies and hurt others. Harming capitalism in the process.
 

... that's how all economic systems are destroyed. Successful feudalists destroyed feudalism. Successful socialists in Western Europe have destroyed socialism. Successful capitalists destroyed capitalism.

One of the ironies of human existence is that success destroys far more rapidly than failure.
 
... that's how all economic systems are destroyed. Successful feudalists destroyed feudalism. Successful socialists in Western Europe have destroyed socialism. Successful capitalists destroyed capitalism.

One of the ironies of human existence is that success destroys far more rapidly than failure.

Your thoughts stem out of the lefts disdain for sucess.
 
Your thoughts stem out of the lefts disdain for sucess.

... or possibly from observation.

Star athletes aren't the only people who go to seed once they taste the big victory, it happens in other professions and to entire civilizations.

Take the United States for example. We reached the height of our power from 1945 through the 1960s before suffering a sharp 70s decline to the Vietnam War and the Oil Embargo. Then we made it back in the 80s by achieving victory over the Soviet Union before losing it in the Iraq War.

In the case of feudalism: the system developed to stop the -90% population drop from the decline of the Roman Empire. For a thousand years, they managed to keep the population about even before finally eeking out enough of a surplus that they had more humans than they needed farmers. The result was an increasing level of innovation that led to the formation of the first towns and trade guilds. That was the genesis of modern capitalism. It started as a bubble within feudalism, nurtered by feudalism's success, and then exploded outward to destroy feudalism.

It wasn't feudalism's failure that destroyed feudalism. Feudalism succeeded at its goal: reverse the population decline. Once that occurred, its relevance as an economic system faded away. Similarly, once the United States succeeded in destroying the Soviet Union, the other countries no longer needed us and stopped respecting our power. That's why we received minimal aid during the Iraq War.

In much the same way, the purpose of capitalism is to make it possible for individuals to acquire great wealth. Through corporations, it creates individuals who have so much money they can buy their way out of accountability, the way the banks did in the 2008 recession, or the way Donald Trump does all the time. However, capitalism depends on accountability. Once accountability is gone, you've replaced it with corporatism.

Real capitalism in the United States has been dying since the end of the Second World War, but historians will look back on 2008 as the final death.
 
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... or possibly from observation.

Star athletes aren't the only people who go to seed once they taste the big victory, it happens in other professions and to entire civilizations.

Take the United States for example. We reached the height of our power from 1945 through the 1960s before suffering a sharp 70s decline to the Vietnam War and the Oil Embargo. Then we made it back in the 80s by achieving victory over the Soviet Union before losing it in the Iraq War.

In the case of feudalism: the system developed to stop the -90% population drop from the decline of the Roman Empire. For a thousand years, they managed to keep the population about even before finally eeking out enough of a surplus that they had more humans than they needed farmers. The result was an increasing level of innovation that led to the formation of the first towns and trade guilds. That was the genesis of modern capitalism. It started as a bubble within feudalism, nurtered by feudalism's success, and then exploded outward to destroy feudalism.

It wasn't feudalism's failure that destroyed feudalism. Feudalism succeeded at its goal: reverse the population decline. Once that occurred, its relevance as an economic system faded away. Similarly, once the United States succeeded in destroying the Soviet Union, the other countries no longer needed us and stopped respecting our power. That's why we received minimal aid during the Iraq War.

In much the same way, the purpose of capitalism is to make it possible for individuals to acquire great wealth. Through corporations, it creates individuals who have so much money they can buy their way out of accountability, the way the banks did in the 2008 recession, or the way Donald Trump does all the time. However, capitalism depends on accountability. Once accountability is gone, you've replaced it with corporatism.

Real capitalism in the United States has been dying since the end of the Second World War, but historians will look back on 2008 as the final death.

As stated the reason we were so successful in that era is because we were able to sell to rebuild the world after the war. The left sites this period with the intent of painting the era of unions, etc as the baseline, and cause of this success-but it wasn't. In fact, it was because we were doing so well that unions were tolerated.
 
Work hard, be responsible and use your money wisely. No government is going to eliminate poverty by offering handouts. It's up to the individual.

That is an incredibly naïve statement.
 

I used to think the same way when I was young. The reality is, when you get a little older and mature you will see that there are large masses of people in the United States that are never going to be successful no matter how long and hard they work. The reality is that the concept of hard work and payoffs work for a small segment of middle class America. The vast majority of people in power and with the wealth don't have to work long or hard at all....and a large part of our society will never have access to being successful simple because of the lack of opportunities and resources that they have available to them.

Its a nice concept. something that we all would like to believe in...and I admire your youthful optimism...but the reality is starkly different.
 

I used to think the same way when I was young. The reality is, when you get a little older and mature you will see that there are large masses of people in the United States that are never going to be successful no matter how long and hard they work. The reality is that the concept of hard work and payoffs work for a small segment of middle class America. The vast majority of people in power and with the wealth don't have to work long or hard at all....and a large part of our society will never have access to being successful simple because of the lack of opportunities and resources that they have available to them.

Its a nice concept. something that we all would like to believe in...and I admire your youthful optimism...but the reality is starkly different.
 
I used to think the same way when I was young. The reality is, when you get a little older and mature you will see that there are large masses of people in the United States that are never going to be successful no matter how long and hard they work. The reality is that the concept of hard work and payoffs work for a small segment of middle class America. The vast majority of people in power and with the wealth don't have to work long or hard at all....and a large part of our society will never have access to being successful simple because of the lack of opportunities and resources that they have available to them.

Its a nice concept. something that we all would like to believe in...and I admire your youthful optimism...but the reality is starkly different.

Aren't we around the same age?
 
I used to think the same way when I was young. The reality is, when you get a little older and mature you will see that there are large masses of people in the United States that are never going to be successful no matter how long and hard they work. The reality is that the concept of hard work and payoffs work for a small segment of middle class America. The vast majority of people in power and with the wealth don't have to work long or hard at all....and a large part of our society will never have access to being successful simple because of the lack of opportunities and resources that they have available to them.

Its a nice concept. something that we all would like to believe in...and I admire your youthful optimism...but the reality is starkly different.

Apparently defeatism and resignation trumps hard work with you. Its a shame.
 
Apparently defeatism and resignation trumps hard work with you. Its a shame.

Not at all. I've just been around the real world and lived enough places to understand that although people can always pull themselves up by their bootstraps....some people are in a better position to pull themselves up than others. People are always going to do better through hard work than if they don't work hard....but the idea that anyone can be successful through hard work is a fallacy that has been perpetuated on the working classes that bears little actual reality.
 
I would be surprised. Your post speaks of youthful optimism.

Haha. I'm not optimistic - I'm realistic. You can make it in this country if you work hard, be responsible and use your money in a smart way. I grew up poor and now I make almost 3x what my dad made when I was young. I'm not a genius, have a model body or rich uncle. I just worked my ass off.
 
Haha. I'm not optimistic - I'm realistic. You can make it in this country if you work hard, be responsible and use your money in a smart way. I grew up poor and now I make almost 3x what my dad made when I was young. I'm not a genius, have a model body or rich uncle. I just worked my ass off.

Like I said....hard work and perserverance will pay off for everyone...but only to a certain degree. The idea that all it takes is hard work and responsibility to be successful for a huge chunk of people is not reality. That's just the cold hard facts of our society. Our society is based on the concept that there will be hungry/poor that will work for minimal wages in order to supply the advantages for the upper classes.
 
I'm also 33. :)

I would have put you slightly younger.....mid to late 20's. That's when I talked similar to what you are saying. I'm 50. I think most of my experience with reality came in my 30's and 40's.
 
Haha. I'm not optimistic - I'm realistic. You can make it in this country if you work hard, be responsible and use your money in a smart way. I grew up poor and now I make almost 3x what my dad made when I was young. I'm not a genius, have a model body or rich uncle. I just worked my ass off.

I beat my parents (both college educated, first in their families) by age 30, and by a significant margin. That wasn't by not working hard or saying the deck is stacked against me, so why bother.

People need to worry more about emulating successful behavior and less about being bitter of achievement.
 
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