View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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Thread: How is poverty best eliminated?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Education.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    What works best to eliminate poverty? Multiple options are available.
    It can never be eliminated, there will always be some distinction. But the wealth gap in general can be lessened through the use of true free market capitalism.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And for those who choose not to learn?
    They then deserve the consequences of those actions. Hopefully they change their choice at some point.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    REALLY? Care to prove that claim? Care to show which nations among the first-world SOCIALIZED democracies have such high percentages of people in poverty, with closed market economies? Care to show that the US had less people in poverty before the New Deal began bringing socialism to America?

    But you're not going to reply. Why? Because the actual numbers, the actual facts are 180-out from your claim...and if you don't know that already, you'll find it out as soon as you begin trying to dig up those numbers and facts...

    ...and then you won't allow yourself to reply, because not only can you not prove your claims, but all the evidence points to the precise opposite of what you apparently want to believe.
    Well first, show where I said "first-world socialized democracies".

    Second,
    How is poverty best eliminated?-number_in_poverty_and_poverty_rate_1959_to_2011-_united_states-jpg

    Sadly, data prior to 1959 is lacking and would take some determined digging to find. Poverty rates prior to the "New Deal" are of course going to be high considering the affects of the depression and the dust bowl.

    List of countries by percentage of population living in poverty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Feel free to look up the socio-economic structure of the ones you want to. Of course, you probably won't like the fact that data is based upon income vs cost of living, something that the US does not do, as reported by those local governments.

    Take a look at standards of living. Quality of Life Index by Country 2014 Mid Year
    Look at all those socialist countries and closed market countries at the bottom.

    Now take a look at cost of living Cost of Living Index by Country 2014 Mid Year
    Wow, look at all those "first-world socialized democracies" at the top.

    The US, the least socialized of those nations is second highest in standard of living but way down the list of cost of living and near the bottom of people living in abject poverty (other than homeless people, we don't actually have a population living in abject poverty.)
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Well first, show where I said "first-world socialized democracies".

    Second,
    How is poverty best eliminated?-number_in_poverty_and_poverty_rate_1959_to_2011-_united_states-jpg

    Sadly, data prior to 1959 is lacking and would take some determined digging to find. Poverty rates prior to the "New Deal" are of course going to be high considering the affects of the depression and the dust bowl.

    List of countries by percentage of population living in poverty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Feel free to look up the socio-economic structure of the ones you want to. Of course, you probably won't like the fact that data is based upon income vs cost of living, something that the US does not do, as reported by those local governments.

    Take a look at standards of living. Quality of Life Index by Country 2014 Mid Year
    Look at all those socialist countries and closed market countries at the bottom.

    Now take a look at cost of living Cost of Living Index by Country 2014 Mid Year
    Wow, look at all those "first-world socialized democracies" at the top.

    The US, the least socialized of those nations is second highest in standard of living but way down the list of cost of living and near the bottom of people living in abject poverty (other than homeless people, we don't actually have a population living in abject poverty.)
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    How is poverty best eliminated?-soylent-jpg
    Excellent!

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Yes it is. $100's of billions in unfunded liabilities, some of the highest unemployment in the country, home to over 30% of the nations welfare cases, among the highest taxes in the nation, and many other Progressive/Socialist accomplishments.

    But you know all that, since you spend so much time and effort developing the spin to address such realities.

    Anyway, not that interested in a long tete a tete with you right now. Just wanted to pass on the thanks.
    Yeah, California's SO bad off, their economy's REALLY melting down...which is why Moody's and Standard-and-Poor's BOTH raised CA's credit rating, huh? As compared to oh-so-red Kansas which just got downgraded. But yeah, I guess California's really got those credit rating agencies bamboozled, huh? And the three state budget surpluses in a row - those are all lies, too.

    And on top of all that, you're still ignoring the point I brought up that the nations with the best standard of living in the world are ALL first-world socialized democracies, whereas the nations with small governments, low effective taxes, and weak regulations are ALL third-world nations. You simply can't get around that fact.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Oh, boy, but you sure are tap-dancing, aren't you?

    Come on, guy, fess up - which first-world democracies (all of which ARE socialized, including America) are in danger of becoming third-world nations?

    None.

    And which nations with small governments, low effective taxes, and weak regulations are progressing to first-world status?

    None.

    You've got zero evidence on your side. All you've got are words, with no hard numbers, no FACTS to back you up. All you've got is your personal perception - taught to you by the right-wing echo chamber - that up is down, inside is out, good is bad, everybody carrying guns saves lives, Obama's a Muslim/communist/fascist/terrorist/Kenyan who has a deep-seated hatred for white people, and first-world socialized democracies are tyrannical regimes that are about to fall because we didn't listen to sociopath-loving Ayn Rand.
    Incorrect. The US is very much in danger since it's economy is very unstable, which means all those nations you mention are. Japan has narrowly avoided it several times only by massive loans from the government.

    How unstable, look at debt to credit ratios.
    How is poverty best eliminated?-u-s-_household_debt_relative_to_disposable_income_and_gdp-jpg

    Notice that our households are way above 100% on debt to income ratio. That is bad, very bad.

    Which nations are you referring to that have small governments, low effective taxes and weak regulation? China? Argentina? Thailand? For that matter most of central and South America? Oh, yeah, your ilk loves to bring up Somalia. That has to be who you're referring to.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yeah, California's SO bad off, their economy's REALLY melting down...which is why Moody's and Standard-and-Poor's BOTH raised CA's credit rating, huh? As compared to oh-so-red Kansas which just got downgraded. But yeah, I guess California's really got those credit rating agencies bamboozled, huh? And the three state budget surpluses in a row - those are all lies, too.

    And on top of all that, you're still ignoring the point I brought up that the nations with the best standard of living in the world are ALL first-world socialized democracies, whereas the nations with small governments, low effective taxes, and weak regulations are ALL third-world nations. You simply can't get around that fact.


    Moody's raised it from A1 to Aa3. Awesome. Oh, and every budget passed by the legislature is balanced, it's the law. What Brown and his progressive cronies who control the legislature didn't do again this year is pay back the billions they owe state funds they borrowed from in previous years.

    If everything is so peachy, why did Brown call for more taxes when he rolled out his last budget?

    The fact is, you really don't want to go down the California debate road GC, I am exceedingly well informed on the subject. It's just not worth my time to engage in such a pointless endeavor.

    As to your socialist stuff regarding other countries. I don't care a bit. You've been posting that stuff for the longest time, and no matter what evidence is posted that takes the shine off, you throw it aside and start over again.

    I'm glad you like all those socialist countries. I don't, and I'll fight people like you who want to bring it here until I'm dead. That's how it goes my friend.

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