View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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Thread: How is poverty best eliminated?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Maybe we should put all the world's poor on a giant tire raft and send them to the "socialized" nations, see how they deal with it?
    No doubt with egalitarianism for all!

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    "Socialized" nations do not have the worlds poor floating there on tires. The US does. How do you explain this?
    Actually, if you'll check, yes, the other first-world democracies DO often have a significant illegal immigrant problem. The fact that you did not think they did simply shows how little you are paying attention to what's going on in other nations.

    Check out Australia, which has significantly fewer illegals than we do in raw numbers...but also has a much smaller citizen population than we do. That, and they're an island, and as such is much harder to get to in the first place.

    Then there's Italy, where 65K illegals were caught (as opposed to how many weren't caught) in the first half of this year. Again, that's far fewer than ours...but not only does Italy have a smaller population and weaker economy, but the ones traveling there have to cross a much larger body of water - the Mediterranean - than our Rio Grande.

    Even Greece - yes, GREECE, as bad as their economy is - has such a bad illegal immigrant problem that England (!) is spending 2M pounds in order to fight illegal immigration in Greece! And it's so bad that they're spending precious tax drachmas there to put up an "electronic shield" along all their borders.

    So...next time, check your assumptions before you present them as facts.

    NOW...back to the topic at hand (because illegal immigration is not a direct measure of poverty): You asked what's the best way to fight poverty. What nations have the highest standards of living? The socialized first-world democracies (which includes America, because yes, we DO have a lot of socialism here) have the highest standards of living...and thus the lowest rates of real poverty. And what nations have the higher rates of poverty? Easy. Nations with small governments, low effective taxes, and weak regulation.

    And I should thank you - you've given me a great new rhetorical point with which to present conservatives the sustained failure of their economic dogma...and the sustained success of the socialized first-world democracies (which, again, includes America).
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post

    Yes, you do - because the nations with the lowest levels of poverty are the socialized first-world democracies...whereas the nations with the highest levels of poverty are those nations with small governments, low effective taxes, and weak regulation.
    Except that the US had less people in "poverty" before it became a socialized democracy than it does now. We are regressing due to socialization.

    Those with the highest percentage of people in poverty are socialist based or closed market economies with government restrictions on business which block foreign investment.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Do you have any data to back up your claims?
    Really? Are you so unfamiliar with the rest of the world that you do not know which nations have the highest standards of living, and which standards are lowest? Even the author of the OP knew better than to question that! Here, educate yourself on which nations have the highest standards of living.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    There is no way to end "poverty". Some government official will change what conditions and pay amount is below the poverty line and there will always be people below it.

    Socialism obviously doesn't work, unless you count reducing everyone to abject poverty as "working".

    Closed system capitalism doesn't work either because they don't have the ability to rise up above poverty without aide which the closed system blocks.

    Even open market corporatism fails because it limits the opportunities to rise up.

    Open market capitalism coupled with unrestricted franchise will always lead to either corporatism (corporate socialism) or outright socialism, either of which will create more poverty not less.

    Open market, competitive capitalism coupled with limited franchise democracy seems to have worked the best so far. However, it does not eliminate poverty as it is competitive in nature and thus there will always be losers.

    Open market, competitive capitalism with an earned-meritocratic franchise democracy may prove even better but has not been tried.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Really? Are you so unfamiliar with the rest of the world that you do not know which nations have the highest standards of living, and which standards are lowest? Even the author of the OP knew better than to question that! Here, educate yourself on which nations have the highest standards of living.
    Of those, only the US achieved that on their own. Economically, all the others with high standards are reliant upon the US economy and technology developed primarily in the US. As the US becomes more socialized, our economy has weakened, the percentage in "poverty" has increased, Corporatism has risen and our level of innovation is decreasing.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Except that the US had less people in "poverty" before it became a socialized democracy than it does now. We are regressing due to socialization.

    Those with the highest percentage of people in poverty are socialist based or closed market economies with government restrictions on business which block foreign investment.
    REALLY? Care to prove that claim? Care to show which nations among the first-world SOCIALIZED democracies have such high percentages of people in poverty, with closed market economies? Care to show that the US had less people in poverty before the New Deal began bringing socialism to America?

    But you're not going to reply. Why? Because the actual numbers, the actual facts are 180-out from your claim...and if you don't know that already, you'll find it out as soon as you begin trying to dig up those numbers and facts...

    ...and then you won't allow yourself to reply, because not only can you not prove your claims, but all the evidence points to the precise opposite of what you apparently want to believe.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Of those, only the US achieved that on their own. Economically, all the others with high standards are reliant upon the US economy and technology developed primarily in the US. As the US becomes more socialized, our economy has weakened, the percentage in "poverty" has increased, Corporatism has risen and our level of innovation is decreasing.
    Oh, boy, but you sure are tap-dancing, aren't you?

    Come on, guy, fess up - which first-world democracies (all of which ARE socialized, including America) are in danger of becoming third-world nations?

    None.

    And which nations with small governments, low effective taxes, and weak regulations are progressing to first-world status?

    None.

    You've got zero evidence on your side. All you've got are words, with no hard numbers, no FACTS to back you up. All you've got is your personal perception - taught to you by the right-wing echo chamber - that up is down, inside is out, good is bad, everybody carrying guns saves lives, Obama's a Muslim/communist/fascist/terrorist/Kenyan who has a deep-seated hatred for white people, and first-world socialized democracies are tyrannical regimes that are about to fall because we didn't listen to sociopath-loving Ayn Rand.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Its most certainly not remedied by outsourcing and giving the service sector jobs to illegals.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Actually, if you'll check, yes, the other first-world democracies DO often have a significant illegal immigrant problem. The fact that you did not think they did simply shows how little you are paying attention to what's going on in other nations.

    Check out Australia, which has significantly fewer illegals than we do in raw numbers...but also has a much smaller citizen population than we do. That, and they're an island, and as such is much harder to get to in the first place.

    Then there's Italy, where 65K illegals were caught (as opposed to how many weren't caught) in the first half of this year. Again, that's far fewer than ours...but not only does Italy have a smaller population and weaker economy, but the ones traveling there have to cross a much larger body of water - the Mediterranean - than our Rio Grande.

    Even Greece - yes, GREECE, as bad as their economy is - has such a bad illegal immigrant problem that England (!) is spending 2M pounds in order to fight illegal immigration in Greece! And it's so bad that they're spending precious tax drachmas there to put up an "electronic shield" along all their borders.

    So...next time, check your assumptions before you present them as facts.

    NOW...back to the topic at hand (because illegal immigration is not a direct measure of poverty): You asked what's the best way to fight poverty. What nations have the highest standards of living? The socialized first-world democracies (which includes America, because yes, we DO have a lot of socialism here) have the highest standards of living...and thus the lowest rates of real poverty. And what nations have the higher rates of poverty? Easy. Nations with small governments, low effective taxes, and weak regulation.

    And I should thank you - you've given me a great new rhetorical point with which to present conservatives the sustained failure of their economic dogma...and the sustained success of the socialized first-world democracies (which, again, includes America).
    Thanks for the laugh GC. Working on a bunch of plans to deal with California's ongoing progressive/socialist attacks on job creators/tax payers, so the chuckle was well timed.

    Australia an island. That's awesome!

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