View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It depends on what you mean by poor. If you mean those who have less than others, then you're right because statistically someone will always have less than someone else. That's a pretty useless definition though, according to that definition, Warren Buffet is poor compared to Bill Gates because Buffet only has $62 million, compared to Gates' $76 million. That really doesn't mean anything though.
    It does on the score card.

    PS: BTW, they do not own millions. They have billions.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    ...... strict indoctrination removing the desire for wants.
    History indicates this does not work. Probably you will need brain probes. Maybe we can fix up something electronic.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Kind of a unique scenario though. Following World War II we had the only functional manufacturing infrastructure left as Europe and Asia had largely been bombed out.
    That certainly helped to, as did the forced savings from the wartime era. The point was only that it was not large government spending that preceded the boom, but a sharp reduction in it.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Point 1: I don't know why you are even talking to me about this. You *know* I'm just going to say something like, "Indeed. 7% tax rate for a company like Apple that is heavily, heavily reliant on the United States for infrastructure, security, and legal assistance is definitely a defining example of progressive taxation." The bottom line is that Apple has gotten more out of its relationship with the people of the United States and its government than we've gotten out of Apple. It's a mostly one sided relationship.
    focusing on single data points in order to obscure a greater trend is a poor strawman, designed to appeal only to those swayed by imagery.

    America's Taxes are the most progressive in the world, and our effective corporate tax rates are similarly higher than the worlds'.

    Progressive taxation is gutted and dead. The right-wing has lost any vigorous interest in reforming the tax code because the situation they have now will certainly be better than any Grand Bargain tax reform they can wring out of the Democrats.
    yeah. The right wing doesn't want to reform our sclerotic, destructive, inhibiting, choking, incomprehensible unbeatable maze of a tax code.

    Point 2: And my family owns (or has owned) a meagre number of acres that would be worth millions in England. When you have a third of the population of the United States in a territory the size of Iowa, you wouldn't expect to have a very large house. Just because they're challenged when it comes to a specific resource doesn't say anything about their overall living standards or quality of life.
    on the contrary - size of living arrangements is indeed pat of ones' quality of life. So is access to things like air conditioning and automobiles. Our poor include people who would not be counted as such in Europe.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That certainly helped to, as did the forced savings from the wartime era. The point was only that it was not large government spending that preceded the boom, but a sharp reduction in it.
    Ana accompanied by a policy that allowed Americans to buy whatever (more or less) the populations of the war poor countries could produce. This laid the foundation of the system by which the US has put so many poor around the world in jobs to China and this very day.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    What works best to eliminate poverty? Multiple options are available.
    The best thing is to allow trade and make it safe.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    History indicates this does not work. Probably you will need brain probes. Maybe we can fix up something electronic.
    I should have left that part out, I wanted to leave some room to maintain happiness while eliminating poverty. It really wasn't necessary to the central point.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I should have left that part out, I wanted to leave some room to maintain happiness while eliminating poverty. It really wasn't necessary to the central point.
    Though, it would be more the bleary eyed type, there is probably more happiness after the brain probe than in and after indoctrination.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Should the situation ever come to pass that everyone has meaningful work that is valued sufficient to meet their needs and some of their desires, that would, at least in my book, be the end of poverty.

    Is this situation likely to ever come to pass? I kinda doubt it, as it's man's very nature to constantly struggle and strive. Without this struggle and striving present, man will have lost something significant that propels him to greater accomplishment.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    What works best to eliminate poverty? Multiple options are available.
    I'm told that hunger is a wonderful motivator so it's curious to see so many folks on welfare that are so fat.

    Things that make you go, hmmmmmmm......
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