View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Poverty is best eliminated through proper education and equal opportunity. How to do those is the question.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Poverty is best eliminated through proper education and equal opportunity. How to do those is the question.
    Mostly though, it comes from holding people accountable for their actions.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Mostly though, it comes from holding people accountable for their actions.
    I don't agree. You can hold a slave accountable for his actions and he will never escape poverty. No, it's education and equal opportunity.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I don't agree. You can hold a slave accountable for his actions and he will never escape poverty. No, it's education and equal opportunity.
    Personally I'm focused on education.

    If we have a system wherein people can choose their leaders (which we do in the US, more or less), education is the most important thing, period.

    Because without education, it is much harder to understand the mad shenanigans that go on, and react properly.
    Education.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I don't agree. You can hold a slave accountable for his actions and he will never escape poverty. No, it's education and equal opportunity.
    That's because they have no choice. A person has to be held accountable for their actions because it is the only way to improve their lot in life. They do have choices. They have to make the right ones.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Personally I'm focused on education.

    If we have a system wherein people can choose their leaders (which we do in the US, more or less), education is the most important thing, period.

    Because without education, it is much harder to understand the mad shenanigans that go on, and react properly.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's because they have no choice. A person has to be held accountable for their actions because it is the only way to improve their lot in life. They do have choices. They have to make the right ones.
    No, slaves do have choices, it's just that their choices are extremely restricted relative to a person who is not so encumbered. Similarly, a person born into poverty has choices that are extremely restricted relative to a person who is born with great wealth. Although I think your point has merit in that a person should not be conditioned to a dependence on government assistance, I really don't think that focus on that aspect is a major force in lifting a person from poverty.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    IMO, marriage DOES create jobs because the more marriage with two parent homes there is, the less crime there is and the more prosperous and stable the community will be and a better quality of life the community will have. That in turn is a powerful lure for existing businesses to move into an area and new businesses to start up.
    So lets see, you want to create a correlation between "crime" and "jobs" (income), but I'm sorry to inform you that "crime" (violent crime) has DECLINED to levels not seen since 1978, after the bad old crack fueled 1990's....and yet household wages have not increase for lower quintiles.....ergo, your correlation phails....as per usual.

    The point still is (and it applies very much to your "ideas"):

    I think you meant to say that marriage reduces poverty, not that it is a "predictor of poverty"....as if it is the cause of poverty....but an indicator of a LACK of poverty (I don't know why I keep having to correct your statement!).

    If marriage causes less poverty, then it because of household income, ie, somehow, magically, marriage causes employment...JOBS!

    The point still remains, you have the cart in front of the horse.....single income homes are in poverty because of the lack of income, ie, our economy requires 2 earners to have any chance of getting out of poverty.....and even with 2 earners, a huge number of those households remain in poverty.

    It is due ENTIRELY to declining wages.

    You Bell Curvers ALWAYS make this a morality based argument and veer away from the economics.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Poverty is best eliminated through proper education and equal opportunity. How to do those is the question.
    If everyone got a doctorate degree today, in an employable field, we would still need burger flippers.

    All that would happen is wages in higher paying fields would drop, and we still wouldn't have enough "good" jobs for everyone to have one.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    If everyone got a doctorate degree today, in an employable field, we would still need burger flippers.

    All that would happen is wages in higher paying fields would drop, and we still wouldn't have enough "good" jobs for everyone to have one.
    I don't see education as meaning everyone having a doctorate degree. As a matter of fact, I really don't think everyone is meant for college. To me, education means training people to do useful work that they have an aptitude for. Everyone has something of value to contribute, if their natural aptitudes are nurtured properly.

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