View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Generally speaking regulation past the point of effective solving of tragedy-of-the-commons structures has a negative effect on standards of living. India, for example, suffers mightily from a choking bureaucratic governing structure, and US businesses are pretty frank that the regulatory burden in the US encourages them to invest in infrastructure elsewhere.
    If you'd really investigate, what you'd find in India is much the same as you'd find in any third-world nation: vast, endemic corruption in the public and private sector. The regulations are usually ignored, and only enforced when one has ticked off the wrong person in the powers that be. Regulations that are ignored are no different from not having regulations at all.

    You might think that corruption is bad here in America, but the corruption that we do have is nothing like what is found in third-world nations - what we have isn't a fraction of what they have. I know this first-hand.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    I didn't bother to read all 357 posts, but did anyone mention the possiblity that education, and better family values could help reduce poverty? Those weren't on the polls, but they seem like obvious choices to me.

    Aside from that, our government establishing a full employment policy seems to me to be a better alternative than government freebies.

    We may ask "what's the cost of that", but is it any more than the cost of paying people to do nothing? At least when we pay them to do meaningful work, we are creating value and wealth and not sending the signal that it's OK to be a slacker.

    How much does it cost us each year to have millions of people who want to work, but who can't find jobs, sitting on the couch watching tv?

    How much more wealth could be created this year if everyone who wanted to work was provided with a meaningful and productive job, instead of being provided with money for doing nothing?
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I didn't bother to read all 357 posts, but did anyone mention the possiblity that education, and better family values could help reduce poverty? Those weren't on the polls, but they seem like obvious choices to me.

    Aside from that, our government establishing a full employment policy seems to me to be a better alternative than government freebies.

    We may ask "what's the cost of that", but is it any more than the cost of paying people to do nothing? At least when we pay them to do meaningful work, we are creating value and wealth and not sending the signal that it's OK to be a slacker.

    How much does it cost us each year to have millions of people who want to work, but who can't find jobs, sitting on the couch watching tv?

    How much more wealth could be created this year if everyone who wanted to work was provided with a meaningful and productive job, instead of being provided with money for doing nothing?
    Personally, I think education is the key to it all.

    If educated, children will grow up with a better understanding of how things work, which will lead to better elected officials (because better educated voters), which will lead to better regulations, etc.,etc.
    Education.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Personally, I think education is the key to it all.

    If educated, children will grow up with a better understanding of how things work, which will lead to better elected officials (because better educated voters), which will lead to better regulations, etc.,etc.
    True but it is unlikely that education improves without the family values improving.

    School alone will not get the job done. Parents need to man up

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    True but it is unlikely that education improves without the family values improving.

    School alone will not get the job done. Parents need to man up
    A good teacher could get a student learning even without parent/guardian support, I suspect. Although it would be much harder and fail alot more.

    Frankly I think education might help family values more than family values might help education.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    True but it is unlikely that education improves without the family values improving.

    School alone will not get the job done. Parents need to man up
    Spoken like a true Bell Curver.

    "Family values....creates jobs"
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If you'd really investigate, what you'd find in India is much the same as you'd find in any third-world nation: vast, endemic corruption in the public and private sector. The regulations are usually ignored, and only enforced when one has ticked off the wrong person in the powers that be. Regulations that are ignored are no different from not having regulations at all.
    Then most countries have no regulations, as most regulatory codes are so complex as to be beyond individual human comprehension, and so most are in violation of one or another, and it is ignored.

    You might think that corruption is bad here in America, but the corruption that we do have is nothing like what is found in third-world nations - what we have isn't a fraction of what they have. I know this first-hand.
    you're not telling me anything I don't know - heck, I read about Nigeria for a living.


    None of which, however, alters the basic points I outlined for you.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    A good teacher could get a student learning even without parent/guardian support, I suspect. Although it would be much harder and fail alot more.

    Frankly I think education might help family values more than family values might help education.
    The available social statistics do not support that claim. The most powerful factor is the family situation.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I didn't bother to read all 357 posts, but did anyone mention the possiblity that education, and better family values could help reduce poverty?
    It's been a while since I last looked at the numbers, but as I recall, roughly 1/2-2/3rds of child poverty could be ended through the simple expedient of having their parents marry.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Then most countries have no regulations, as most regulatory codes are so complex as to be beyond individual human comprehension, and so most are in violation of one or another, and it is ignored.



    you're not telling me anything I don't know - heck, I read about Nigeria for a living.


    None of which, however, alters the basic points I outlined for you.
    You're confusing complexity with corruption. Laws are complex, yes...but certainly not beyond comprehension. That's nothing more than a cop-out by those who don't want to have to abide by those laws.
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