View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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Thread: How is poverty best eliminated?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    None, as far as I've seen - of course, I don't see all your posts - maybe you have and I simply didn't see it. If you can explain why it is that the blue states generally pay out more federal taxes than they receive, and why the red states generally receive more in federal funding than they pay out, please, enlighten me!

    And while you're at it, please explain why red states generally:

    - have higher divorce rates
    - have higher teenage pregnancy rates
    - have lower educational attainment rates
    - have lower life expectancy rates
    - have higher poverty rates

    Yes, I can back up each of these. I look forward to your reply.



    It is? What, exactly, are the 'obvious reasons'?



    Y'know, California's taxes aren't much higher than here in Washington...yet most of the major businesses here in Washington (Microsoft, Amazon, Boeing, et al) don't seem to be fleeing, and the richest man in the world (Bill Gates) certainly isn't running away from Washington state. Come to think of it, the most recent CEO of Microsoft (Steve Ballmer) just invested 2B in California when he bought the Clippers.



    Please define "supplemental poverty rate"...because before I reply, I want to make sure we're talking about the same thing. I say that because under the 'supplemental poverty rate', California's poverty rate is 23.8%...whereas under the traditional measure of the poverty rate, it's 13.2%. And regardless of which metric you use, the significant majority of states with the highest poverty rates are RED states.



    Perhaps the same way that the financial capital of the world - New York City - has remained as such since at least WWII. You see, it's not just California that has high taxes - it's also New York, and there's been scads of rich people in both states for longer than either one of us has been alive. Sure, you might find a few here or there that do leave because of taxes...but most don't. Instead, they stay...and they continue to MAKE money in both states...because if the rich didn't continue to make money as they have done so for generations, they wouldn't stay, now would they?



    Again, you say California's economy is going to crash and burn...and I say it won't. You and I will be on DP for a some time to come, and here's a prediction: five years from now, CA's economy will still be improving, and you'll still claim it isn't, that it's still about to crash and burn.



    Hey - you're the one who's claiming that the only thing that's holding up CA's economy is "other peoples' money"...whereas in reality, California receives about 78 cents in federal funding for every dollar it pays out in federal taxes. In fact, if you'll check the same reference, you'll find that almost all red states receive more in federal funding than they pay out in federal taxes...which means that we in blue states are essentially paying to help red state economies stay afloat.
    I'll only comment on two things you've posted, since they illustrate how far off the mark you are on what you think you know, and what is the truth.

    1) "Y'know, California's taxes aren't much higher than here in Washington..." Washington has no income tax. California's is among the highest in the nation at over 12% for the highest earners. The state sales tax rate is the highest in the nation. Obviously you have no idea what you are posting.

    2) The Supplemental Poverty Rate is the current way poverty is measured in the United States. Progressives in California have managed over the last 15 years to move the state into first place in that terrible measure.

    Since you clearly don't know what your "talking" about, as I have written, I have no interest in running through the merry-go-round with you. It is a complete waste of time and energy.

    Have a good one GC. Pick your battles better, this one you lost when you struck the first letter.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I'll only comment on two things you've posted, since they illustrate how far off the mark you are on what you think you know, and what is the truth.

    1) "Y'know, California's taxes aren't much higher than here in Washington..." Washington has no income tax. California's is among the highest in the nation at over 12% for the highest earners. The state sales tax rate is the highest in the nation. Obviously you have no idea what you are posting.

    2) The Supplemental Poverty Rate is the current way poverty is measured in the United States. Progressives in California have managed over the last 15 years to move the state into first place in that terrible measure.

    Since you clearly don't know what your "talking" about, as I have written, I have no interest in running through the merry-go-round with you. It is a complete waste of time and energy.

    Have a good one GC. Pick your battles better, this one you lost when you struck the first letter.
    Its always humorous to hear liberals who dont even know the situation here, tell us how wonderful CA actually is.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its always humorous to hear liberals who dont even know the situation here, tell us how wonderful CA actually is.
    California is their worst nightmare, because it has been the petri dish for their Progressive agenda for years and years. The results are in, and they need to hide from it. Or in some posters cases, invent results and try to convince others their fantasies are true.

    The kicker is when they realize they are cornered, they just exclaim, "leave, if you don't like it".

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    California is their worst nightmare, because it has been the petri dish for their Progressive agenda for years and years. The results are in, and they need to hide from it. Or in some posters cases, invent results and try to convince others their fantasies are true.

    The kicker is when they realize they are cornered, they just exclaim, "leave, if you don't like it".
    Yup, nothing but the same old story. And since California leads in these liberal pipe dreams, when these demonstrably failed policies are seriously discussed elsewhere, Im the first to show its been tried and failed. But these leftists always excuse the failure and try again. No real synthesis occurs, it never does.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I'll only comment on two things you've posted, since they illustrate how far off the mark you are on what you think you know, and what is the truth.

    1) "Y'know, California's taxes aren't much higher than here in Washington..." Washington has no income tax. California's is among the highest in the nation at over 12% for the highest earners. The state sales tax rate is the highest in the nation. Obviously you have no idea what you are posting.

    2) The Supplemental Poverty Rate is the current way poverty is measured in the United States. Progressives in California have managed over the last 15 years to move the state into first place in that terrible measure.

    Since you clearly don't know what your "talking" about, as I have written, I have no interest in running through the merry-go-round with you. It is a complete waste of time and energy.

    Have a good one GC. Pick your battles better, this one you lost when you struck the first letter.
    1. And your reply is simplistic, because you're not taking into consideration the total tax burden of the state. For instance, Washington's total tax burden is not that much less than California's, and California's total tax burden per capita is LESS than that of Nebraska, Utah, Wyoming, West Virginia, or even Louisiana.

    2. Just because that is the current way that the poverty is measured does not mean it's the best way, just as the current way of measuring unemployment is not necessarily the best way to measure unemployment..

    ...and in either case, the majority of the nations with the worst poverty rates are RED states. That much, sir, is indisputable.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    California is their worst nightmare, because it has been the petri dish for their Progressive agenda for years and years. The results are in, and they need to hide from it. Or in some posters cases, invent results and try to convince others their fantasies are true.

    The kicker is when they realize they are cornered, they just exclaim, "leave, if you don't like it".
    Greetings, ocean515.

    The problem has been getting larger for many years, and we appear to be in the end stages of constant alarms going off and lights blinking red! Will they pay attention before it's too late? I doubt it, and when it finally implodes, maybe they will actually learn that there really is no "free lunch." Everything has a price, and all the new taxes they hope to levy on productive people won't be enough to go around. Another fantasy bites the dust...

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    So...which economies are more heavily regulated, and which are not?
    Generally speaking regulation past the point of effective solving of tragedy-of-the-commons structures has a negative effect on standards of living. India, for example, suffers mightily from a choking bureaucratic governing structure, and US businesses are pretty frank that the regulatory burden in the US encourages them to invest in infrastructure elsewhere.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Generally speaking regulation past the point of effective solving of tragedy-of-the-commons structures has a negative effect on standards of living. India, for example, suffers mightily from a choking bureaucratic governing structure, and US businesses are pretty frank that the regulatory burden in the US encourages them to invest in infrastructure elsewhere.
    The problem is, IMO, that in many cases we have regulations where it hurts and none where it would help.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    My own modest proposal for ending poverty is that we eat poor people's babies.
    I heard they taste like chicken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I heard they taste like chicken.
    Chicken thigh, specifically.
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