View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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Thread: How is poverty best eliminated?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Erdmutter View Post
    The reason a piece of land is valuable is because of what the government, the community, and nature provide at that location. The landowner is a purely parasitic economic agent who either enjoys that stream of benefits from the community himself without paying the community for it or expects others to pay him rent or the exchange value for that stream of benefits.
    I guess you haven't heard of property taxes, sales taxes, and utility user charges. How would local governments be funded if everyone that lived in their jurisdiction was "a purely parasitic economic agent who ... benefits from the community himself without paying the community...?"

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    AGAIN, why are the nations that have had the highest standards of living for the past half century the SAME ones whose economies, according to conservative economic dogma, should be crashing and burning?

    You haven't answered this. You've claimed it was answered, but it never was, it never has been, not by you, not by anyone else. I remember specifically the excuses that some more serious conservatives have tried, but their excuses were shot down in every case. You yourself have not even ventured a guess, but are simply claiming it has been answered when it has not been answered at all.
    Should be crashing and burning? Let the economic realities speak for themselves. It's really easy to create a socialist nirvana when other peoples money is flowing in. When it doesn't flow in, then what. That is why, just like in California, the whole ideology and agenda is unsustainable.

    Tell me about the history of all these great countries your so enamored with over the last 100 years. How long have there economic systems been in place? How many have changed, over and over.

    Sorry, this rainbow and unicorns deal you're pushing will never last in the long term. It never has, not ever.

    End of story.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    AGAIN, why are the nations that have had the highest standards of living for the past half century the SAME ones whose economies, according to conservative economic dogma, should be crashing and burning?
    :raises eyebrow: I think you are severely confused on something, either with regards to what conservatives think, or wit regards to what nations have had the highest standard of living over the last half-century. mpg pretty thoroughly answered this point.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Should be crashing and burning? Let the economic realities speak for themselves. It's really easy to create a socialist nirvana when other peoples money is flowing in. When it doesn't flow in, then what. That is why, just like in California, the whole ideology and agenda is unsustainable.

    Tell me about the history of all these great countries your so enamored with over the last 100 years. How long have there economic systems been in place? How many have changed, over and over.

    Sorry, this rainbow and unicorns deal you're pushing will never last in the long term. It never has, not ever.

    End of story.
    "When other peoples' money is flowing in". Ah. So it's only tourism that's holding California together? I doubt it.

    Here's some questions to ask yourself: where does all the money come from? Does it all *poof* into existence where it wasn't before? Does it disappear into the ether as well? Is there some kind of rule that "for every dollar that is created, one dollar must be destroyed"? Or "value is neither created nor destroyed, but only changes form"?

    1. sometimes, but mostly no.
    2. sometimes, but very rarely.
    3. no.
    4. no.

    The key question, though, is "If the ebb and flow of money is a zero-sum game, how can our stock market possibly continue to grow?" The answer is of course NO, the ebb and flow of money is not a zero-sum game, and that is why California does not "depend on other peoples' money flowing in."
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    The best way to eliminate poverty is to create incentive's for businesses to produce more higher paying jobs and improve the middle class status.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    "When other peoples' money is flowing in". Ah. So it's only tourism that's holding California together? I doubt it.

    Here's some questions to ask yourself: where does all the money come from? Does it all *poof* into existence where it wasn't before? Does it disappear into the ether as well? Is there some kind of rule that "for every dollar that is created, one dollar must be destroyed"? Or "value is neither created nor destroyed, but only changes form"?

    1. sometimes, but mostly no.
    2. sometimes, but very rarely.
    3. no.
    4. no.

    The key question, though, is "If the ebb and flow of money is a zero-sum game, how can our stock market possibly continue to grow?" The answer is of course NO, the ebb and flow of money is not a zero-sum game, and that is why California does not "depend on other peoples' money flowing in."
    I have not idea what you're attempting to suggest. None of it makes sense, none of it follows what I posted, and I'm not really interested in trying to sort it out. Thanks for the post though.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    :raises eyebrow: I think you are severely confused on something, either with regards to what conservatives think, or wit regards to what nations have had the highest standard of living over the last half-century. mpg pretty thoroughly answered this point.
    Okay, then, edjimicate me. What nations have had the highest standards of living over the past half century, and what governmental systems and philosophies do those nations generally have in common?
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I have not idea what you're attempting to suggest. None of it makes sense, none of it follows what I posted, and I'm not really interested in trying to sort it out. Thanks for the post though.
    You said California's economy is unsustainable unless there's other peoples' money flowing in...and I'm asking you where does that money come from? Why does the money keep flowing in to California? And when you answer, please bear in mind that blue states like California generally pay out more in federal taxes than they pay in, while red states generally receive more in federal funding than they pay out.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You said California's economy is unsustainable unless there's other peoples' money flowing in...and I'm asking you where does that money come from? Why does the money keep flowing in to California? And when you answer, please bear in mind that blue states like California generally pay out more in federal taxes than they pay in, while red states generally receive more in federal funding than they pay out.
    Oh geeze, the red state, blue state lie. How many times has that been explained? I know, it's a critical issue to overlook obvious reasons for disparities in who pays out, and who pays in. Such a lame argument.

    Fact, California has structured is tax system to burden high income earners more than any other state. The most recent tax increase that Progressives pushed through placed the highest burden for paying for the government on the rich.

    Here is the problem with this approach. The Progressives here have managed to place California at the top of the list with the highest Supplemental Poverty Rate in the nation. The money to pay for all this comes primarily from the rich. So in order to maintain this Progressive society approach, the rich need to stay rich, and get richer.

    Unfortunately, the Progressives also want to punish the rich, and do things to reduce this income disparity. So how is a state so very dependent on the rich, going to stay economically viable, if their focus is the punish the rich, and the businesses many of the rich own?

    Again, as evidenced by California's economic results, and the massive increase in poverty California Progressives have managed to create, the trajectory is unsustainable. Cities have filed for bankruptcy as a result of these agenda's.

    As to where the money comes from, I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to infer, and have no real interest in learning what imaginary ideas you have to explain your point on it.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Oh geeze, the red state, blue state lie. How many times has that been explained? I know, it's a critical issue to overlook obvious reasons for disparities in who pays out, and who pays in. Such a lame argument.

    Fact, California has structured is tax system to burden high income earners more than any other state. The most recent tax increase that Progressives pushed through placed the highest burden for paying for the government on the rich.

    Here is the problem with this approach. The Progressives here have managed to place California at the top of the list with the highest Supplemental Poverty Rate in the nation. The money to pay for all this comes primarily from the rich. So in order to maintain this Progressive society approach, the rich need to stay rich, and get richer.

    Unfortunately, the Progressives also want to punish the rich, and do things to reduce this income disparity. So how is a state so very dependent on the rich, going to stay economically viable, if their focus is the punish the rich, and the businesses many of the rich own?

    Again, as evidenced by California's economic results, and the massive increase in poverty California Progressives have managed to create, the trajectory is unsustainable. Cities have filed for bankruptcy as a result of these agenda's.

    As to where the money comes from, I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to infer, and have no real interest in learning what imaginary ideas you have to explain your point on it.
    Have you heard about this upcoming cap and trade gas tax starting next jan? How on earth do we have such proximity to oil and refineries and yet its somehow cheaper to refine and then truck to nevada or arizona-because of our taxes and regulations.

    The left does not care if anything is unsustainable, they would just as soon crash this nation into ruin, because they think they'd like what came after.

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