View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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Thread: How is poverty best eliminated?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    How about we start to apply tariffs to foreign good, and stop taxing productivity, so that "Made in USA" is competitive again?

    If that doesn't work, then I will consider "jobs programs" as an option.
    In order to improve the lives for all there needs to be open competition between the markets. Tariffs only make unfit markets even more unfit, while harming those markets deserving to prosper.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You can not separate the land on which my property rests with the ownership of the land itself. If you are to say that the land is owned by everyone, but they may not act towards the property that I have built on their land then you are undoubtedly restricting their right to their land, as now there is a patch of land they have no control over and can not act towards to push forward their own interests.
    That is not how geoism works. Geoism acknowledges the need for private possession of land. As long as the land due is paid no one can rightfully access the land without the holder's permission.

    As for the idea of rents, it is again an absurdity, as who has the right to charge me rent for property that I justly own? It is as absurd as the red hen being charged by those that didn't help make the bread for the production of the bread itself.
    Bread is the fruit of labor. It rightfully belongs to its creator. Who created the land? Nobody.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    How is a landowner a freeloader?
    The reason a piece of land is valuable is because of what the government, the community, and nature provide at that location. The landowner is a purely parasitic economic agent who either enjoys that stream of benefits from the community himself without paying the community for it or expects others to pay him rent or the exchange value for that stream of benefits.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Do you get dizzy when you spin as fast as you do GC? I know I would.
    And how, exactly, is that 'spin'? The EU did adopt austerity, and America did not. We see the difference in the results.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And how, exactly, is that 'spin'? The EU did adopt austerity, and America did not. We see the difference in the results.
    Your favorite countries adopted whatever plans their socialist ideas felt was best at the time. As I have been suggesting, the agenda they embrace has failed to live up to it's billing. I contend it will always fail. It is indeed spin to come up with excuses as to why their economic agenda is not working as advertised.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You can not separate the land on which my property rests with the ownership of the land itself. If you are to say that the land is owned by everyone, but they may not act towards the property that I have built on their land then you are undoubtedly restricting their right to their land, as now there is a patch of land they have no control over and can not act towards to push forward their own interests. They must instead allow my trees to grow and prosper or my house to stay standing and there is nothing at that point they can do about it. Under a system where all land is owned by everyone and yet individuals own the products of their labor there is no such thing as peace as the ideas that you have laid contradict each other and can not rest without conflict.

    As for the idea of rents, it is again an absurdity, as who has the right to charge me rent for property that I justly own? It is as absurd as the red hen being charged by those that didn't help make the bread for the production of the bread itself.
    The Empire State building was built on leased land. So, evidently, it is possible to separate ownership of improvements from ownership of land.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Your favorite countries adopted whatever plans their socialist ideas felt was best at the time. As I have been suggesting, the agenda they embrace has failed to live up to it's billing. I contend it will always fail. It is indeed spin to come up with excuses as to why their economic agenda is not working as advertised.
    They "always fail"...which is why the nations with the highest standards of living for the past half century have been those same ones you claim should "always fail"? Do you not see the disconnect there?
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    They "always fail"...which is why the nations with the highest standards of living for the past half century have been those same ones you claim should "always fail"? Do you not see the disconnect there?
    No, I see yours.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    That's incomplete data, and even if it was complete, it would require tons of number crunching. This is what it looks like when you have more complete data and the numbers are crunched. http://www.taxreview.treasury.gov.au...ection_5-1.gif
    Notice how the countries from the top of the UNHD list are mostly on the left side of this bar graph (lower taxes). The countries on the right side are mostly small countries with narrow demographics, and one of them is also an oil rich country (Norway).



    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And when it comes to regulation, there's no place I know of on the internet that can show you the number of regulations per nation; rather, it takes a measure of experience and common sense.
    This is what it looks like when you combine taxation and regulation. Economic Freedom of the World - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Notice how the countries at the top of this list coincide with the countries at the top of the UNHD list.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    No, I see yours.
    AGAIN, why are the nations that have had the highest standards of living for the past half century the SAME ones whose economies, according to conservative economic dogma, should be crashing and burning?

    You haven't answered this. You've claimed it was answered, but it never was, it never has been, not by you, not by anyone else. I remember specifically the excuses that some more serious conservatives have tried, but their excuses were shot down in every case. You yourself have not even ventured a guess, but are simply claiming it has been answered when it has not been answered at all.
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