View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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Thread: How is poverty best eliminated?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Make government benefits dependent upon job training?

    For instance, get a 600 ebt card for breathing, get a 900 ebt card for attending a computer programmer course, or hvac certification etc.

    But with a caveat, 2 years later no more benefits

    Sink or swim. People will swim.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I never said everyone owns everything.
    The basic premise of your belief is that the earth owns to everyone.


    They have no right to rip up your trees. You plant them, they are the fruits of your labor. That is why geoists do not include improvements such as gardens, orchards, houses, etc when they talk about LVT.
    They own the land, so they very much have the right to remove my trees. Why should they lose their claim to the land where my trees are planted?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    In post #21 you said "the nations with the highest levels of poverty are those nations with small governments, low effective taxes, and weak regulation", then you posted a link to the countries with the highest UNHD, and the countries at the top of the list are mainly countries with lower taxes and/or less regulation. There are plenty of other websites that agree with the link that you posted. They've been linked in these forums countless times.
    Huh? I've posted a lot of links - show me which one you're talking about.

    That said, WHAT nations have the highest standards of living? First-world democracies. And WHAT first-world democracies have small governments? None. WHAT first-world democracies have low effective taxes? None. WHAT first-world democracies have weak regulation? NONE.

    Not. a. single. one. Your claim is bogus.

    And how about you list what nations have what are in YOUR opinion "small government". Better yet, list which governments have the conservative 'trinity' of small governments, low effective taxes, and weak regulation.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    GC, how many times are you going to bring up your socialist nirvana is Europe meme? It's been fully addressed, debunked, and debated. Just because you're fixated on your meme and refuse to incorporate the facts presented to you, doesn't mean people need to step onto your platform and take another trip around the same circle.

    I got it, in your view, socialism is the end all to beat all. Sorry chief, I'm never going to buy it. You've been presented with reams of facts and you don't want to see them. That's fine, hang with that. Getting on a Merry-go-round with you on the same specific subject over and over is a supreme waste of time.

    As to California, I'd really suggest you leave the topic alone. I've lived here for over 50 years, been fortunate to realize the American Dream, and my family roots go back over 140 years, right here in Southern California. We have been a very active and in touch with the community/government family over all those generations, so unless you want to stick to facts, there is little chance of your conjecture surviving the stress test.

    By the way, I consideer Ahnold to among the worst Governors this state has ever had in office. Brown is lucky Ahnold came along, because the title of worst was leaning in his direction. Given Browns actions since taking office, Ahnold may have to reliquish the title.
    That is where YOU keep going wrong: you - like most conservatives - have this bogus perception that we somehow want a fully socialist society. We haven't said that...and I sure as heck haven't said that. I've said time and time and time again that what works best is a socialized democracy in which the social programs are BALANCED by a strong business sector...and this is PRECISELY what you see in ALL first-world democracies: social programs taking care of those sectors where the profit motive does not belong, and business taking care of those sectors where the profit motive DOES belong. Sure, most of us took a hit during the Great Recession, but the first-world democracies are STILL doing better than any other nations on the planet. That much is not in question.

    The only question is WHY are the first-world democracies doing so much better than most of the rest of the world (and have done so for at least a half century) when conservative economic dogma says that nations whose governments and economies are thus structured SHOULD be on the way to the economic dustbin of history. That's the question you cannot answer. Actually, you CAN answer it...but you dare not do so, since the only only answer is 180-out from what conservative economic dogma requires.

    And since it looks like you and I are both here for the long haul, I guess we'll both be able to watch whether California's economy crashes and burns - as you and others are Absolutely Sure is going to happen - or whether California's economy continues to improve.

    Of course, if you wait long enough, ANY economy - no matter how strong - is going to crash and burn. The key is understanding whether it was due to the policies of the politicians...or whether it was due to other factors. In any case, California's economy is certainly improving, no matter what you and your fellow conservatives dearly hope - ahem, I mean, what you and your fellow conservatives Just Know is gonna happen.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    I voted taxation and free markets. To start, we take the burden of taxation off the producer and put it on the main freeloader in the economy: the landowner.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Elimination of money. Even then it's nit really going towork .
    Yeah that sounds like a recipe for success.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by idea_steed View Post
    I think it also has to include the balance in the bank. If one has to support a family,spending most of his salary on items like house mortgage, then he is not well-off.
    Should it really?

    This is the definition of poverty

    poverty

    [pov-er-tee]

    noun 1. the state or condition of having little or no money, goods, or means of support; condition of being poor.

    Are you using a different definition of poverty?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Elimination of money. Even then it's nit really going towork .
    Eliminating money would actually cause more harm than good, I think.

    Unless a person has no necessities to purchase, they will need some method of transforming their labor into portable form.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Huh? I've posted a lot of links - show me which one you're talking about.
    List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    That said, WHAT nations have the highest standards of living? First-world democracies. And WHAT first-world democracies have small governments? None. WHAT first-world democracies have low effective taxes? None. WHAT first-world democracies have weak regulation? NONE.

    Not. a. single. one. Your claim is bogus.

    And how about you list what nations have what are in YOUR opinion "small government". Better yet, list which governments have the conservative 'trinity' of small governments, low effective taxes, and weak regulation.
    Many links have been posted many times. Surely you've seen them. Just go to the websites of the UN, OECD, wikipedia, nationmaster, or the site of your choice. Let us know when you find a link that doesn't say the opposite of what you're claiming.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Erdmutter View Post
    I voted taxation and free markets. To start, we take the burden of taxation off the producer and put it on the main freeloader in the economy: the landowner.
    How is a landowner a freeloader?

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