View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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Thread: How is poverty best eliminated?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by fedup View Post
    I'm not sure that government can be considered a valid referee in this regard.
    As a libertarian, I understand the sentiment. How would you approach the land issue?



    We definitely agree on this.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I am looking for rational debate. As always, I am not getting it from you.
    Yep, your response says you are just seeking attention.
    Please stop responding.


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    What a joke.
    Yes your postings are.
    My reply was accurate and concise. That is all that is needed in reply to your nonsense.


    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I'm sorry you don't believe you should keep what you make.
    I never said any such thing, so now you have just exposed yourself as being dishonest as well.
    That is good information for all to know.


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    Goodbye, Excon. Never thought I'd have to do this, but you are officially the first person going on my ignore list.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So you selectively agree with private property rights. Anything else besides land that you dont think can be owned?
    The moon, the sun, other people...
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
    http://www.wealthandwant.com/

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    The moon, the sun, other people...

    You dont see any problems instituting this, in modern US society? The economy? The cost of such a failure?
    And two weeks after your political experiment results in the large scale corruption, violence, and other atrocities-failing-what then?
    After the rubble stops smoking, im sure thats when the real fun begins, no?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You dont see any problems instituting this, in modern US society? The economy? The cost of such a failure?
    And two weeks after your political experiment results in the large scale corruption, violence, and other atrocities-failing-what then?
    After the rubble stops smoking, im sure thats when the real fun begins, no?
    Has this happened yet with our current (very destructive) property tax system? No?

    What I propose is not worldwide communism but a change in our tax system. Instead of paying for both land values AND improvements we would be paying for JUST the land values. Many have practiced it at least partially and they never experienced the armageddon you predict.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    First off, one needs to define poverty because there was a study based on the census that states that most Americans who are considered poor have a house with a garage as well as having enough food to prevent them from starving and an XBox for the kiddies. In my view if one has a place to stay, clothing on their backs and has adequate food then one cannot be poor- hence, true poverty has largely been eliminated in the US.
    I think it also has to include the balance in the bank. If one has to support a family,spending most of his salary on items like house mortgage, then he is not well-off.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    What works best to eliminate poverty? Multiple options are available.
    Elimination of money. Even then it's nit really going towork .
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    What works best to eliminate poverty? Multiple options are available.
    I think if you want to have lasting affects, you have to focus on the next generation. Food stamps, low income housing, etc. only treat the symptoms. Focusing on the kids did the most good in creating the black middle-class where today there are more black women with college degrees and operate small businesses per capital than any other group in America, and if you just take America's black population and run the numbers they would be the 7th mother powerful economy in the world and a member of the G8. It was integrating the schools, the United Negro College Fund, Head Start and black families drilling into their kids the HAVE to go to college starting in the 1970s.

    Unfortunately some of the policies that still exist today have worsened the cycle of poverty in the black population for many, where today there are two black populations; an upwardly mobile and education middle-class and the poverty stricken inner-city. Forcing dads out of the home as a condition of welfare eligibility has been a government created a nightmare that has fostered not just poverty but crime, gang membership, out of wedlock birth rates sky rocketing, skyrocketing low educational achievement and generational poverty.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Perhaps one day will progress beyond politics.
    There is a massive push for a "one world" approach to society. Behind the push are people who make up what I call the Progressive Machine. Billionaires and millionairs from the US and other parts of the world are coodinating their efforts to bring about their version of social justice, with themselves in the center of power. The evil but brilliant George Soros is one of a number of the wealthiest in the world pushing this agenda.

    The angst and unrest has been formented by design. As people become more aware of what Progressive means today, the enevitable failure of it's agenda will be sped along. How long that will take is the quesiton. The pinicle was getting Obama in office, but as they have been learning, they then need results, which Progressivism will never provide.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Ah. So instead of answering the question I posed to you, you choose to ignore it altogether. Gee, wonder why? But don't feel bad - no other conservative has been able to explain it away, either. Just like you, they make an excuse for ignoring it, since the reality of which economies are doing best goes 180-degrees against the grain of conservative economic dogma.

    And when it comes to California, if you'll recall, California was pretty much a red state between 1964 and 1992...and in I remember well when I was there for several years in the 1980's that California's economy was nothing to brag about. In other words, there's LOTS of blame to go around on red and blue sides...but no matter what you personally want to believe, California's economy is significantly better than what it was under Ahnold.
    GC, how many times are you going to bring up your socialist nirvana is Europe meme? It's been fully addressed, debunked, and debated. Just because you're fixated on your meme and refuse to incorporate the facts presented to you, doesn't mean people need to step onto your platform and take another trip around the same circle.

    I got it, in your view, socialism is the end all to beat all. Sorry chief, I'm never going to buy it. You've been presented with reams of facts and you don't want to see them. That's fine, hang with that. Getting on a Merry-go-round with you on the same specific subject over and over is a supreme waste of time.

    As to California, I'd really suggest you leave the topic alone. I've lived here for over 50 years, been fortunate to realize the American Dream, and my family roots go back over 140 years, right here in Southern California. We have been a very active and in touch with the community/government family over all those generations, so unless you want to stick to facts, there is little chance of your conjecture surviving the stress test.

    By the way, I consideer Ahnold to among the worst Governors this state has ever had in office. Brown is lucky Ahnold came along, because the title of worst was leaning in his direction. Given Browns actions since taking office, Ahnold may have to reliquish the title.

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