View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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Thread: How is poverty best eliminated?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I believe in private property as long as that property is in the hands of the rightful owner. If you build a house, that is your property. No government should tax you for it. But if you exclusively hold a piece of land, which was not created by anyone but God/nature, then the value should be repaid to the community as restitution.
    So you selectively agree with private property rights. Anything else besides land that you dont think can be owned?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Not part-it is THE solution. Sprinkling in some marxist fail does not help.
    i don't agree, and having a private and public sector is not Marxism.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    First world, far from it. Burdened with mountains of debt and high unemployment. They were using the Keynesian theory of borrow and spend for so many years and where it get them. A mountain of debt and 25% unemployment. And you stand by the Keynesian theory.



    They have been trying to recover for years and went broke trying to do it. And you say the 25% of the people are getting aid and allowances are doing great, I call that living in poverty. You liberals want to eyewash everything and deny the facts. Socialism in Spain and in Greece is a picture perfect failure of Socialism. And you say pour more money on the problem and all will go away, problem is no one will give them any money. Does naive mean anything to you?



    Now you want to compare Spain with the most impoverished countries such that are prevalent in Africa. I have been to many of them. That is not the point, the point is socialism such as in Greece and in Spain does no work. France is no better, they are all self destructing. Many of those countries in Africa had no economy to begin. Spain, Greece and France did and now because of their socialistic views they are self-destructing. And you use them as a model that the US should follow. I have said over and over, liberals never care about jobs, never have never will.
    If you don't think that France and Spain are first-world nations, then you really have no clue what a first-world nation is. Tell me - how much time have you spent outside America's borders? Because the words and images you see on the screen are no substitute for actually being there, for finding out firsthand what life is really like in other nations.

    YES, France and Spain are very much indeed first-world nations. Before the advent of the Euro, Greece was considered first-world by some (as you can see in the previous reference), not considered such by others. It was temporarily and has since slid back to "emerging" status. But given the fact that Greece has a significant problem with illegal immigrants from third-world nations, that by itself should tell you that whatever you may think in your cocoon over here in America, the people who are actually going there know it's a heck of a lot better than where they came from.

    Oh, and as far as your "liberals never care about jobs", when you finally go overseas - or even just to Canada - make sure you tell all the liberals (for even the conservatives in those nations are usually quite liberal by current American standards) that they're all a bunch of lazy bums who "never care about jobs". Of course, this will require you saying this to just about everyone you meet....

    But in any case, the vast majority of the world apparently disagrees with you as to what is and is not a first-world nation. But I'm sure you know better than everyone else.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i don't agree, and having a private and public sector is not Marxism.
    No its not. And we have both now.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post


    Moody's raised it from A1 to Aa3. Awesome. Oh, and every budget passed by the legislature is balanced, it's the law. What Brown and his progressive cronies who control the legislature didn't do again this year is pay back the billions they owe state funds they borrowed from in previous years.

    If everything is so peachy, why did Brown call for more taxes when he rolled out his last budget?

    The fact is, you really don't want to go down the California debate road GC, I am exceedingly well informed on the subject. It's just not worth my time to engage in such a pointless endeavor.

    As to your socialist stuff regarding other countries. I don't care a bit. You've been posting that stuff for the longest time, and no matter what evidence is posted that takes the shine off, you throw it aside and start over again.

    I'm glad you like all those socialist countries. I don't, and I'll fight people like you who want to bring it here until I'm dead. That's how it goes my friend.
    Ah. So instead of answering the question I posed to you, you choose to ignore it altogether. Gee, wonder why? But don't feel bad - no other conservative has been able to explain it away, either. Just like you, they make an excuse for ignoring it, since the reality of which economies are doing best goes 180-degrees against the grain of conservative economic dogma.

    And when it comes to California, if you'll recall, California was pretty much a red state between 1964 and 1992...and in I remember well when I was there for several years in the 1980's that California's economy was nothing to brag about. In other words, there's LOTS of blame to go around on red and blue sides...but no matter what you personally want to believe, California's economy is significantly better than what it was under Ahnold.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    California is a nightmare living on its legacy. One only need to live here a short time to see the nightmare that is unopposed liberalism.
    As opposed to oh-so-prosperous Great Red States like Mississippi and Louisiana, hm?
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Actually, I'm very familiar with the rest of the world. The data say the opposite of what you claim, including the link that you posted.
    Okay, exactly how does the data say the opposite of what I claim? You've got the soapbox - go for it!
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Okay, exactly how does the data say the opposite of what I claim? You've got the soapbox - go for it!
    In post #21 you said "the nations with the highest levels of poverty are those nations with small governments, low effective taxes, and weak regulation", then you posted a link to the countries with the highest UNHD, and the countries at the top of the list are mainly countries with lower taxes and/or less regulation. There are plenty of other websites that agree with the link that you posted. They've been linked in these forums countless times.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Frankly, I think you are just seeking attention.
    I am looking for rational debate. As always, I am not getting it from you. Stop responding to my posts after this, please.



    Not even.
    Wow, such great debating skills! Punch in an emoticon and simply type "No!" or "Not even!" What a joke.

    That is not about property. Which was the irrational belief being spoke to.
    I'm sorry you don't believe you should keep what you make.

    Goodbye, Excon. Never thought I'd have to do this, but you are officially the first person going on my ignore list.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If everyone owns everything, no one owns anything.
    I never said everyone owns everything.


    What is the point of me planting the trees for my orchard if someone can just come up behind me and rip them from the earth?
    They have no right to rip up your trees. You plant them, they are the fruits of your labor. That is why geoists do not include improvements such as gardens, orchards, houses, etc when they talk about LVT.
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